Telegraph - Keir Starmer: Pro-trans laws are needed across UK

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At first glance, just (just!!) a rehash of his video from last year. Which said what it said. But there's this:

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/12/23/keir-starmer-pro-trans-laws-needed-across-uk/

"Asked by The Telegraph about the leader’s comments to Pink News, Labour confirmed that he stood by plans to reform the GRA.

A party spokesman said: “All political parties agree that the process needs modernising. A future Labour government will consult on what that looks like, while upholding the Equality Act and maintaining single-sex spaces.
“Labour has a strong and proud record of standing up for women’s rights. Our commitment to them is unrelenting.”
Trans rights have become a key electoral battleground in the USS_ and are expected to be similarly important in the UK at the next general election."

Do all political parties agree the GRA needs updating? The Tories just made it easier to get a GRC, and they've not said they plan to do more.

Once again the "maintaining single sex spaces" rhetoric. But next to the Haldane judgement? Come on.

FFS! First I couldn't vote for Labour because of Corbyn - he's long gone, but I'm still politically homeless...

Why double-down now?
We need to warn the women of the red wall somehow.
Why is it always 1 step forward 2 back?

A party spokesman said: “All political parties agree that the process needs modernising

Can a party spokesman tell us what is "modern" about pretending men can be women? It seems like an idea from a sexist age that should be long gone.

Everyone knows why men do it, so why are political parties calling this modern? It's not a new thing!

God this is terrifying. Has Sturgeon's win emboldened him? I hate the Tories but no way can I vote for thi. So angry.

He’s such a pathetic, whimpering coward.
I bet his pronouns are hmm/ meh.

All of them can f off and f off some more. I despise the Tories and this lot are a special kind of extra greedy Tory. But I'm not voting for that coward or any of the rest of them. Will spoil my ballot. The country is fucked.

This is all about sex offenders getting access to women.

Brilliant !

I just read it as a bit of mischief making by the Telegraph. It quotes extensively from an old interview and they’ve obtained a fairly bland statement from the Labour press office that doesn’t say very much at all.

Labour has very subtly moderated its position over the last couple of years. They’re not going to come out and say “we’ll repeal the GRA”.

That is funny. I've bumped into him several times ( not to talk to cos if I could the very first question would be what is a woman) and now every time I'm going to be chuckling at those pronouns.
He also has security, big beefy guys, presumably to prevent actual women from ever talking to him.

Anyway, what exactly have labour done for women?
As far as I'm aware all they ever did was kick our issues down the road. After the revolution babe, just make me a cuppa, stuff these envelopes for us darling, sure we will get to your problems, just as soon as the boys have stopped talking.

Why wont they come right out and say we will repeal the gra?

They want to run the country, but are too scared to tell everyone how they will run the country? That wont work.
Running the country requires skills (that I dont have, yet I'm not as big a coward as keir? )and integrity and balls or ovaries of steel. It's not a fun day in the park. It's a real job that needs an brave person to run.
If kier cant as leader of the opposition be upfront because hes scared of tra then hes no man to run the country.

"Labour has not given any details of how it would protect single-sex spaces at the same time as allowing people to choose their legal gender."

I asked this question for the recent MN/starmer webchat.

It wasn’t answered.

So depressing. Agree with pp too he’s a coward.

Oh its exactly that but that’s the thing. The right wing media will use this repeatedly in the next election. They know it’s one of the very few issues where the Tories are in step with the public. They will use it relentlessly “elect Labour if you want men changing alongside your daughter” and variations of. There is no way they can avoid it and every utterance will make it look worse and worse.

Labour are so bad at actual politics it does my head in!

I don't because even the PM has had a view - on camera. Labour whipped their MSPs to vote FOR this Bill. Then they hid behind a bland statement and they're still trotting out the "we will protect single sex spaces" guff.

They allowed a male MSP to abstain so he could keep his role.

I'm not sure I can think of an example of the PM having a view on a social policy matter that the leader of the opposition has declined to. Especially something related to VAWG or child safeguarding.

Agree with that. It also paints it as an issue only Tories care about, making it harder to reach progressives who aren’t paying much attention and only care about the vibes.

Sorry, my response was to @Theeyeballsinthesky .

who was the male MSP who was allowed to abstain?

Two MSPs who wanted to abstain. One was allowed and kept their role. One wasn't. Spot the difference

twitter.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1606308380641005568?s=46&t=wCvAFn8OP2NouU1fCrBkcQ

Labour are so bad at politics that they have a 20 percentage point lead in the polls and are predicted to win 290 more seats than the government at the next general election.

What does that say about how bad the Tories are at politics?

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

To be fair the person who is good at politics in this is Nicola Sturgeon who has put the Tories in a real bind. Do the Tories play to their narrow fan base in England and step in and intervene in a devolved matter thus encouraging nationalism in Scotland or let it go after making so much hot air against a policy that is in reality very similar to their own.

Labour won’t learn from Penny Mordaunt - who was leading the polls then out - Tories probably have.

This is a topic that can gain ground quickly. Labour are feeling safe and maybe they will win, who knows.

It’s going to be bad for women’s rights and I’m glad to have you all who feel the same on here.

The Prime Minister has been in a government that has held diametrically opposite positions on a range of important issues over the past 12 years*. That he happens to have a position on a devolved matter in Scotland about which he is doing nothing in for the rest of the UK is hardly a ringing endorsement.
*By way of an example. Cutting taxing is good, lets support that, says the Chancellor who raised taxes in the UK to their highest peacetime levels, and then when he is Prime Minister promptly rises them further scrapping one of his previous flagship policies (that would have disproportionately helped women - funding social care better) in the process.

If you want to play that game compare the treatment of the former MP for Chester and the former MP for Tiverton or the currnet MP for Tamworth (and several other sex pests still sitting on the government benches).

Why does the trans movement get any attention atm? We are battling crisis after crisis,,

Do you think the very many public sector workers in for instance the NHS are going to be more likely to vote for a party that "knows what a woman is" or one that actually is prepared to listen to them and discuss whether they should have at least an inflation equally pay rise with them?

I think that keir starmer has adopted the very sound tactics of not interrupting your enemy while he’s making a mistake @jgw1 Labour haven’t had to do much but watch the Tories implode, intersect occasionally to keep highlighting how crap the government is and so far it’s working very well.

however we’re not yet in an election and when that happens I don’t see the right wing media doing anything other than supporting the Tories and using this issue ti hammer Labour.

why can’t Labour just come out and say “we recognise it’s a difficult issue. Women’s rights are human rights as much as trans rights are human rights. Some spaces must be single sex” why is that so hard for them? I’m not prepared to let labour do a Scotland here