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This is why we don't want men in women's spaces

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Redebs · 21/12/2022 15:25

For anyone who hasn't read this yet, here are some of the names and faces behind our objections to men in women's segregated spaces.
Some of these gentlemen are doing it to get an identity change after committing horrific crimes, others are doing it to get access to more victims.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/this-never-happens?utm_campaign=post_embed

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Thelnebriati · 21/12/2022 15:27

Victoria Smith
''Feminists are constantly caught between "that never happens" and "you're using that one example of it happening to spread hate", with an occasional dash of "you have so many examples of it happening you're just obsessed"

nilsmousehammer · 21/12/2022 15:31

Thelnebriati · 21/12/2022 15:27

Victoria Smith
''Feminists are constantly caught between "that never happens" and "you're using that one example of it happening to spread hate", with an occasional dash of "you have so many examples of it happening you're just obsessed"

Yes. It's an endless variant of shutupshutupshutup

Absolute fear to engage, to listen, to take seriously. Terror to have to take that information on board.

Because they know if they do, it blows the whole thing apart. As we see with the SNP, this is only achievable if you lie wildly, pretend evidence and reality doesn't exist, and abandon all ethics, morals, integrity and any sense of responsibility.

Redebs · 21/12/2022 15:43

I just can't imagine the horror experienced by women forced to live alongside a predatory man in a prison or mental hospital. Absolute nightmare stuff

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nilsmousehammer · 21/12/2022 15:47

I would link this also to this thread www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4702755-article-scottish-grcs-and-the-consequences-for-public-protection-in-england-and-wales?reply=122445778

Everyone should read it.

Male sex offenders with GRCs, in women's prisons, are being excused from assessment of risk of offending. The female assessment is being used, which is absolutely fucking useless in serving anything other than pandering to the man's ego. It places that pandering as a higher priority than properly assessing the safety of the women that man is being unleashed on.

What the actual fuck is going on in this country?

nilsmousehammer · 21/12/2022 15:50

This is what has come of indulging a pretense to protect men's feelings.

AngryGoblin · 21/12/2022 15:52

It's such a depressing read but really does prove our point. We need single sex spaces for women. We don't know which men to trust. Transmen are men.

AngryGoblin · 21/12/2022 15:55

@nilsmousehammer what the actual fuck indeed? I find it almost unbelievable, so many people brainwashed by this ideology. I can only think we're all boiled frogs and it's been so slow that we didn't notice the police, the NHS, the judiciary, the law in general, the government being captured until it was too late and they'd gone full Stonewall. I really hope the backlash is beginning and we'll see a return to facts, biology and protection of women's rights.

nilsmousehammer · 21/12/2022 16:00

It has been done via women, even the women here, being kind, generous, wishing to be reasonable, to find compromise, to listen and care, to do the right thing, to believe and understand...

all the things a decent person does which makes them so easy to abuse by a movement that has zero intention of reciprocal respect, care, kindness or any of the other words thrown around for no values beyond manipulative purposes.

I have been guilty of it too, I have failed to realise the absolute lack of conscience and the cold manipulation at the heart of this. I am done now. I will not enable any more.

BranstonPickleandPeanutButter · 21/12/2022 16:26

That's overwhelming in one article. Much like the ongoing thread here. I wish I felt brave enough to show either.

JamSandle · 21/12/2022 16:27

We know that women are statistically more likely to be harmed, raped, sexually assaulted or murdered by men.

We must stop having to be nice to spare feelings. We know not all men etc etc but ENOUGH women are harmed by men for us to deserve the RIGHT to our own spaces and safety.

ScrollingLeaves · 21/12/2022 16:48

I began reading through that list and feel very angry.
Did anyone send it to the Scottish Parliament, I wonder?

ScrollingLeaves · 21/12/2022 16:49

Those people on that list are males. Pronoun he.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/12/2022 17:03

Incredible how so many saddos rock up on this board to lecture women about breathing the same air / speaking the same words / being in the same park as random right wingers, insisting that this makes us all akin to Hitler.
While the elephant in the room is this lot - many of whom appear to be employed by trans organisations despite their convictions for rape, paedophilia, sex offences.

FestiveAF · 21/12/2022 17:06

This list always makes me want to cry with frustration. Why is anyone with half a brain cell entertaining this absolute nonsense.

Wellies54 · 21/12/2022 17:15

It's the ultimate test of brainwashing isn't it. Each little step; name change, pronouns, toilets, sport... you go along being kind until you reach a point where you think, hold on, the mist clears and you see the sunlight. But if you can look at a child rapist - you know they are cruel and manipulative. You know they have destroyed lives, you know they are dangerous and toxic but you can still think, oh but they are a woman inside and on balance it's better to consider their feelings than the feelings, safety and dignity of women, then you really have sunk to the absolute depths. I do think - at least I hope, that there will be a reckoning when some people who have argued very publicly for this will wake up and feel absolute shame for what they enabled.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/12/2022 17:22

Wellies54 · 21/12/2022 17:15

It's the ultimate test of brainwashing isn't it. Each little step; name change, pronouns, toilets, sport... you go along being kind until you reach a point where you think, hold on, the mist clears and you see the sunlight. But if you can look at a child rapist - you know they are cruel and manipulative. You know they have destroyed lives, you know they are dangerous and toxic but you can still think, oh but they are a woman inside and on balance it's better to consider their feelings than the feelings, safety and dignity of women, then you really have sunk to the absolute depths. I do think - at least I hope, that there will be a reckoning when some people who have argued very publicly for this will wake up and feel absolute shame for what they enabled.

The numbers seem to be escalating significantly? Or maybe it's just that with no debate now blown out of the water, cases are being more openly reported. The complete silence from politicians / officialdom about this is chilling.

Hollyhocky · 21/12/2022 17:22

I saw a tweet earlier saying what about the safety of men and boys in their single sex spaces? They don't want them there either. I'm not suggesting for a split second that it justifies having them in women's spaces either but I'm just trying to understand even a tiny bit how anyone can possibly agree with any of this, unless you are actively seeking for women and girls to harmed.

Wellies54 · 21/12/2022 17:33

Hollyhocky · 21/12/2022 17:22

I saw a tweet earlier saying what about the safety of men and boys in their single sex spaces? They don't want them there either. I'm not suggesting for a split second that it justifies having them in women's spaces either but I'm just trying to understand even a tiny bit how anyone can possibly agree with any of this, unless you are actively seeking for women and girls to harmed.

That's what's so shocking though - most of these men are dangerous to men too, so they somehow come to the decision to lock them up with women who are even more vulnerable!

The thing is, they are men. So if they are at risk from other prisoners or if they pose a risk to other prisoners, that's for the male prison to sort out in whatever way they deal with other challenging men. They shouldn't be anywhere near women's prisons.

GrabbyGabby · 21/12/2022 17:46

Show me the fucking data. We are being accused of obsessing over chronicling these crimes of male violence against women. We have been told over and over that in countries with self id, there have been no issues of bad actors abusing this privilege. But their crimes are invariably being recorded as female on female violence.

We know in the UK in forces that record crimes by trans identifiying males as being committed by females, there has been a marked and substantial increase of violent and sexual crimes by 'females'. This rise has been easy to detect because extreme violence by females is incredibly rare. But, because the sex of the perps has not been reliably recorded, we cannot be certain this rise is due to transwomen. We are fucked up the ass every which way.

Rubidium · 21/12/2022 18:28

What’s happened to Glinner’s Substack page? I keep getting '504 Gateway Time-out'

Rubidium · 21/12/2022 18:28

Rubidium · 21/12/2022 18:28

What’s happened to Glinner’s Substack page? I keep getting '504 Gateway Time-out'

Now it’s '503 Service Temporarily Unavailable'

ErrolTheDragon · 21/12/2022 18:30

I'm getting a 503 'temporarily unavailable'. Maybe there's a DDOS attack or suchlike.

ErrolTheDragon · 21/12/2022 18:30

And now a 502 'bad gateway' .

MidsomerMurmurs · 21/12/2022 18:34

DDOS attack I assume. Big intersection between TRAs and tech-bros. This is what they do (there was a time when Mumsnet had this pretty regularly).

unwashedanddazed · 21/12/2022 18:41

mobile.twitter.com/SubstackStatus/status/1605621347253907456

Seems to be a Substack problem. Not just Glinner affected. They are investigating.