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This is why we don't want men in women's spaces

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Redebs · 21/12/2022 15:25

For anyone who hasn't read this yet, here are some of the names and faces behind our objections to men in women's segregated spaces.
Some of these gentlemen are doing it to get an identity change after committing horrific crimes, others are doing it to get access to more victims.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/this-never-happens?utm_campaign=post_embed

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LilyMumsnet · 21/12/2022 19:35

Hi all

Thanks so much for bearing with us here.
We completely understand why moving this thread was frustrating - we're moving it back now. Flowers

LilyMumsnet · 21/12/2022 19:42

Hi all

Ignore that - my mistake (too many tabs)

mynameisnotkate · 21/12/2022 19:52

It seems really notable to me how many of these horrific crimes involve children. Is this a higher percentage than for non-trans male sex offenders? If so, I wonder why.

This is so, so horrifying. Especially as being housed with vulnerable women often means children are present.

BreatheAndFocus · 21/12/2022 20:06

So many! I didn’t expect so many…. 😢This is horrifying. Has it been sent to every idiot trying to push ‘gender’ instead of sex? Perhaps all the female gender fans could entertain these lovely ladies in their homes and bathrooms? No? Bigots! 🤡

ScrollingLeaves · 21/12/2022 20:11

mynameisnotkate · Today 19:52
It seems really notable to me how many of these horrific crimes involve children. Is this a higher percentage than for non-trans male sex offenders? If so, I wonder why.

This is so, so horrifying. Especially as being housed with vulnerable women often means children are present.

I’ve heard that it is a higher percentage but probably not because transwomen are more likely than other men to commit sex crimes. Rather it is because the men who have committed sex crimes try to get to a women’s prison by saying they are trans.

Someone may come on with the link to more about this question. I read all about it on this board about a year ago.

I just saw Channel 4 News where Stonewall Scotland came on in answer to the Scottish GRC reform amendment question about not allowing sex criminals to get a gender recognition certificate (which was voted against). He maintained that in countries where there is self-ID, there is no evidence of sex criminals becoming trans and causing harm.

I hope someone can archive that Graham Lineham list and send it to Channel 4. A woman from For Women Scotland tried to rebut the Stonewall statement but of course it was all concluded with some remark to the effect that these two sides of the [so called] debate are never going to agree.

Musomama1 · 21/12/2022 21:28

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/12/2022 17:03

Incredible how so many saddos rock up on this board to lecture women about breathing the same air / speaking the same words / being in the same park as random right wingers, insisting that this makes us all akin to Hitler.
While the elephant in the room is this lot - many of whom appear to be employed by trans organisations despite their convictions for rape, paedophilia, sex offences.

Exactly, how naive so many women are being who can't quite join the dots. We have single sex spaces because there are men like this. We don't know who they are. Transwomen are men.

It's not rocket science.

Imagine calling out one of these men in a female only space and the harm they could do to you.

nilsmousehammer · 22/12/2022 08:20

Also important to remember that it is not just that every male waltzing into a female single sex space to meet their own needs means that every female in the space now has nothing more than the hope that this particular male does not turn out to be a predator. (Which is entirely in the gift of the male. The male gets to choose whether or not to be nice today.)

It is, perhaps even more importantly, that when a male person walks into a female only space, some females have to leave it . It excludes females from the female provision. Many females cannot use a mixed sex space .

These women are tax payers. They are in many cases forced out of the space due to protected characteristics.

It is not acceptable that female people lose access to public spaces, services, equality of accessibility and part in public life in order that male people can choose in the moment from their preferred and validating emotional choice from all the spaces and services. It's basically unacceptable. Females are not a subclass of human it is ok to deny access to.

Any more than it's ok to shrug and accept that females being harassed, intimidated, assaulted and raped is a fair price to make some male people happy.

The bottom line of this is, are you ok with being a subclass of human because you were born female? Are you happy to tell your daughter she's going to grow up to be a service animal with less rights than your son and her feelings, needs, access, all conditional on whether or not meeting them would in any way make a male person pout?

Thedaysthatremain · 22/12/2022 08:31

Bloody hell, this is eye opening.

Beowulfa · 22/12/2022 08:46

Remember there are all those predatory lesbians going round threatening women in women's toilets. You know, because women are just as bad as men.

IaminRome · 22/12/2022 14:20

Jesus, reading through that... How can I ever let my daughter go to a public/restaurant toilet on her own ?
Genuine question - do parents of small children let them go in on their own? At what age? Fucking bloody state of the world

Misstache · 22/12/2022 16:36

Here is a story about why women’s spaces are so important.

I was an athlete in university. My bf at the time was also an athlete and we used to go together to the gym sometimes. I was having really bad back problems that year and so I was going for a lot of cupping. For those who don’t know, cupping places basically these suction cups on your skin. So for a couple of days after it tends to leave these big bruises that at first are in the shape of circles and are kind of distinctive but then will subside into what looks like just normal bruising. And also, when you have back problems and keep training it stresses your whole body so I was also getting cupping on other parts of my body as well.

So one day I was in the changing room and this older lady gently pulled me aside. And she said she noticed that I often had bruises on me and if anyone was hurting me she wanted me to know she could help. I was of course mortified and explained no, it was just from cupping and then she felt extremely embarrassed as well.

But I was actually really grateful to her that she did say something because if it was abuse she did the right thing. And the reason she was able to privately pull me aside is she waited until I was in a safe space - the woman’s change room where I was away from my bf. And also, because we were all women, she could see my back and shoulders because I was changing by the locker, not hiding away in a stall or something for privacy. Because it was a woman’s space it created the room for her to intervene.

ScrollingLeaves · 22/12/2022 18:28

Misstache· Today 16:36
Thank you for that heart felt example of why sex based women’s spaces matter.
You are so right.

Justsurfing · 22/12/2022 18:48

Thanks for sharing OP, i am not only shocked at reading that list but truly upset. I just cant get my head around what is happening WTAF. I've saved the link and the next time someone looks at me like I've lost the plot for not going along with this screwed up ideology........ they are getting this to read!

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