The wokebro hypocrisy over Jeremy Clarkson

[RoyalCorgi]

There's a thread on Clarkson's comments about Meghan Markle in Feminism Chat, but not here.

I don't particularly want to discuss the comments themselves (I'm sure we all agree they're horrific) but I feel myself once more being pushed to the brink by the hypocrisy of wokebros and handmaidens all lining up to condemn Clarkson as a misogynist, having allied themselves with a movement that routinely makes the most vile threats of sexual aggression against women - and having belittled women's concerns about these threats as silly or irrational.

Talcum X has made a whole video about how terrible Clarkson is. This is a man who routinely blocks feminists on social media so he can't hear what they're saying about male violence. The rest of the time he's calling us bigots.

Zoe Williams (her again) wrote an article about Clarkson in the Guardian, but she's another one who refuses to see the misogynistic bile that pours out of trans activists towards women.

They're all congratulating themselves on how progressive and feminist they are. I don't think I can stand it much longer. I don't know if it's deliberate gaslighting or they're all just incredibly stupid.

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Why?

do you not know?

did you make it up?

thats a mean thing to do…ive already asked ds1

Why is it homophobic abuse?

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I’ve just checked Talcum X’s Twitter feed. He’s back to doing just that. He condemned someone writing horrible things about a woman, then went right back to campaigning to allow legislation changes which have been demonstrated on multiple occasions to allow horrible things to happen to women.

Rank hypocrite is right.

if we're posting images I rather like this one.

Yes that is sweet

Good Lord, does TX know that a woman is following him on Twitter? I thought he'd blocked us all? (or, the boring cunty type, at least)

Whhhhhyyyyyyyyyy!?!?!

Although why would you not love your grandchildren

How is calling LOJ 'talcum x' homophobic ?

It’s not. It’s an attempt to derail the thread to distract from pointing out Jones’s hypocrisy.

Jones doesn’t like it when Clarkson writes about MM in the Sun. But Jones was happy to retweet JK Rowling’s address to his followers.

Can someone with the bigly writing please ask the scolding one why the nickname is homophobic? I’ve lost count of how many times he has been asked, but maybe he keeps missing the repeated question?

It's a fairly transparent attempt to derail the thread into nonsense. I wouldn't go expecting any coherent explanation. It's not "homophobic" to make fun of a specific person you think is a bit of a twat, just because they happen to be gay.

The Mail:
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11563931/ROSS-CLARK-asks-ok-offensive-youre-Left-wing-amid-Jeremy-Clarkson-column-fallout.html

Clarkson is boorish and I don’t plan to join the traffic queue to Diddly Squat any time soon. I think his article went too far, or perhaps the attempted humour was too opaque. The editor should have picked it up. They didn’t. I tend to believe Clarkson’s apology that he did not mean to offend. Let’s face it some people seem to be very easily offended.

The calls for criminal investigation are extraordinary. But not unique, as a good number of women with stickers or suffragette ribbons already know. I’m glad the new Met Police Commissioner has quickly ruled it out.

To be honest I don’t get Meghan either. She seems to be on some sort of pedestal. The one who can’t be criticised. Piers Morgan loses his job. Clarkson faces this storm. Whatever you think of Meghan, JKR has so much more substance. Yet it is OK to routinely and savagely criticise one, but not the other. Oh for some grownup and informed debate and analysis, whether on Meghan’s six hour documentary (which I won’t have much to contribute as I am unlikely to watch), on JKRs views (I don’t see them as problematic but others clearly do. It would be interesting to understand why), or over Jeremy Clarkson’s views (he strikes me as the ultimate pub bore andI find him irritating, but as I don’t read/watch him I am not sure why).

And LOJ strikes me as vicious and unpleasant. Again someone to avoid. Clarkson and LOJ, despite their seemingly different political orientations, come across as similar because of their strong opinions, their unwillingness to listen to others and their apparent misogyny.

You won't get an answer, because that's not how they roll. Homophobia is just the latest slur to throw at GC women, to try to shut us up - though it's a particularly daft one here, as FWR probably the highest percentage of gay MNetters, apart from the LGBT boards.

Talcum X is a brilliant nickname for OJ, because - by contrasting him with a passionate and effective activist - it skewers his own weasly incompetence. That would only be homophobic, if we were suggesting that OJ is an egregious twerp because he is gay, but literally no one is saying that. Disliking OJ is an equal opportunity sport. Yes, many GC people dislike him, but the real venom comes from Corbyinista Labour, many of whom identify as queer.

wokebro and co won't explain because they can't. As soon as they offer an explanation, they expose its incoherence.

wokebro and co won't explain because they can't. As soon as they offer an explanation, they expose its incoherence

yep

i know posters on FWR dont like reporting when a personal attack is made against them and so I haven’t reported

ds1 has just texted me though and he has been doing his homework 😀 my favourite part of his reply is

’and as a final word, talcum x seemingly refers to a white Malcolm X, so as Owen doesn’t really argue about race im not sure if its fitting, especially as he is just a talking head without any concrete opinions’

Obviously I’ll stop now as my unanswerable questions (cos the original remarks are a load of rubbish and undefendable) have been adding to the derail

as a final note, as i said, I dont use that ‘insult’, although i have heard that its considered racist by some. I do understand that when it comes to race and homophobia etc that i might not understand that something i said quite innocuously could be seen as a slur So i am very open to being educated about those things.

Just briefly. The nickname Talcum X was originally coined for Shaun King, an American journalist and would-be social justice warrior who likes to claim that he’s not really white. Talcum is a humorous reference to his whiteness.
You could argue that, for obvious reasons, the nickname doesn’t work as well for LOJ, but it does also convey a sense, I think, of his keyboard activism being but a pale imitation of the powerful civil rights activism engaged in by Malcolm X.

As for it being homophobic, this is just a piece of nonsense. Shaun King is married to a woman and has five children. There is no sense at all in which the term can be thought to be denigrating someone’s homosexuality. But trans activists, as we all know, have scant regard for facts: they are more than happy to lie and smear people if they’re losing the argument (which they always are, of course).

I would urge people not to engage with these posters on this thread. It is not worth your time. In the immortal words of Rebekah Vardy: “It would be like arguing with a pigeon. You can tell it that you are right and it is wrong, but it's still going to shit in your hair.”

from the daily mail article

This week, children's author Sir Philip Pullman described Clarkson's column as 'poison'. Yet in 2019, when the debate over the Brexit Withdrawal Bill was reaching its heated climax, Sir Philip weighed in by tweeting: 'When I hear the name ''Boris Johnson'', for some reason the words 'rope' and 'nearest lamp-post' come to mind as well.'

I presume people called for Phillip Pullman to be arrested for inciting a lynching. Oh yes, no one did

I think it's been quite clear for a long time that progressives are ok with hyperbole and ridiculous over-statement when they do it, but not when anyone else does.

performative lack of common sense innit?

I thought Talcum-X meant Jones was like a grizzly baby version of Malcolm X. I've just realised I haven't seen talcum powder since the 80s when it was a gift in flowery tins for your Nan. Is it still used on baby bums?

If the homophobic element could be explained that would be helpful thanks.

RoyalCorgi

The nickname Talcum X was originally coined for Shaun King, an American journalist and would-be social justice warrior who likes to claim that he’s not really white.

Thank you for the explanation. WB either didn't know, or has simply been repeating their accusation in bad faith, because they didn't want to explain and expose that.