Page 3 | The wokebro hypocrisy over Jeremy Clarkson

RoyalCorgi · 2022-12-20T11:21:29+00:00

There's a thread on Clarkson's comments about Meghan Markle in Feminism Chat, but not here. I don't particularly want to discuss the comments themselves (I'm sure we all agree they're horrific) but I feel myself once more being pushed to the brink by the hypocrisy of wokebros and handmaidens all lining up to condemn Clarkson as a misogynist, having allied themselves with a movement that routinely makes the most vile threats of sexual aggression against women - and having belittled women's concerns about these threats as silly or irrational. Talcum X has made a whole video about how terrible Clarkson is. This is a man who routinely blocks feminists on social media so he can't hear what they're saying about male violence. The rest of the time he's calling us bigots. Zoe Williams (her again) wrote an article about Clarkson in the Guardian, but she's another one who refuses to see the misogynistic bile that pours out of trans activists towards women. They're all congratulating themselves on how progressive and feminist they are. I don't think I can stand it much longer. I don't know if it's deliberate gaslighting or they're all just incredibly stupid.

CallieQ · 21/12/2022 01:26

paintitallover · 20/12/2022 11:43

A "wokebro"? Are you 15?

Not to mention handmaidens

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 21/12/2022 08:26

SantaCarlaCalifornia · 20/12/2022 23:54

That poster is defending them because they are exactly the same as OJ and the rest.
They have never once on this board condemned anything a TRA has done and defended them to the hilt every time.
Always conspicuously absent on the Mermaids paedo-type threads though.

yes, its very clear what notbadconsidering is saying

RoseAndGeranium · 21/12/2022 08:39

It’s hugely hypocritical and wilfully stupid, in my opinion. What Clarkson said was tasteless and silly but I don’t think it was either dangerous or genuinely hateful. Much has been made of the comparison with Rose West but it seems perfectly obvious to me that this was intended as so obviously excessive that it signalled comic exaggeration. Clarkson does this all the time. Talks about his he’d rather eat his own hand than drive a Fiat or writes about how the water from his well is full of rotting dinosaur. The fact that people have chosen to take these particular comments seriously is ridiculous.
To turn back to the subject of the thread, yes, I see worse things said quite seriously (and not as part of a pattern of hyperbole for comic effect) by trans activists about women like JK Rowling all the time. OJ and co never say a thing. And then there was the bile thst poured out about Margaret Thatcher. Remember the way lefty types wrote and talked about her? I don’t mean back in the 70s or 80s, I mean around the time she died. Hideous. Just hideous. Real misogyny poisonously on show. Don’t suppose OJ got his boxers in a twist about that, though. And that’s the thing. They only mind when someone they don’t like does it.

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RoyalCorgi · 21/12/2022 08:54

Rose - I agree Clarkson uses comic exaggeration for effect, and it can be quite funny, but in my view this went far beyond that. It was so extreme that it just came across as cruel and misogynistic. Even his own daughter criticised him.

But yes, I dare say if it had been one of their own making a similar attack on a Tory female MP, they'd have found a way of defending it. I was just reminded by an email from Glinner's substack how only a few months ago, OJ was trying to identify an anonymous schoolgirl who had been bullied in her sixth form for politely challenging a speaker's trans activist views. I still feel incredulous that a staff journalist on a supposedly respectable national newspaper would do that. And then he puts himself forward as a champion of women's rights...

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SantaCarlaCalifornia · 21/12/2022 09:01

RoseAndGeranium · 21/12/2022 08:39

It’s hugely hypocritical and wilfully stupid, in my opinion. What Clarkson said was tasteless and silly but I don’t think it was either dangerous or genuinely hateful. Much has been made of the comparison with Rose West but it seems perfectly obvious to me that this was intended as so obviously excessive that it signalled comic exaggeration. Clarkson does this all the time. Talks about his he’d rather eat his own hand than drive a Fiat or writes about how the water from his well is full of rotting dinosaur. The fact that people have chosen to take these particular comments seriously is ridiculous.
To turn back to the subject of the thread, yes, I see worse things said quite seriously (and not as part of a pattern of hyperbole for comic effect) by trans activists about women like JK Rowling all the time. OJ and co never say a thing. And then there was the bile thst poured out about Margaret Thatcher. Remember the way lefty types wrote and talked about her? I don’t mean back in the 70s or 80s, I mean around the time she died. Hideous. Just hideous. Real misogyny poisonously on show. Don’t suppose OJ got his boxers in a twist about that, though. And that’s the thing. They only mind when someone they don’t like does it.

I agree with you. If it was one of the good and righteous, it would have been just fine. As it's one of the bad guys, he must be destroyed at all costs.
I'm not defending JC at all. I think he's an utter twat and always has been but it was pure hyperbole as he has always used.
I'm surprised it was published at all, I would have thought they'd have realised it wouldn't look good, but I suppose all the controversy leads to more clicks for the paper.
I certainly wouldn't have known about it without all the outrage on Twitter.

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I agree with you and I remember many of their previous comments.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/12/2022 09:40

Across about 7 different usernames.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 21/12/2022 09:44

Namechangeasbeingabitch · 20/12/2022 13:42

Personally I prefer the misogyny of clarkson (if I have a choice) compared to the misogyny of wokebros like LOJ. Clarkson is a dick but he doesn’t pretend to be a feminist while trying to take away my rights AND my ability to discuss how/why my rights are being taken away.

Agree- despite loathing him.

Beowulfa · 21/12/2022 09:49

I agree with the previous poster saying they prefer an honest right-wing misogynist like Clarkson to an insincere lefty bloke pretending to give a shit about women whilst happily cheering an ideology that denigrates us.

It's why I have a certain amout of respect for Jacob Rees-Mogg. I disagree with pretty much everything he says, but he's never pretended to be anything other than a right-wing caricature. What you see is what you get.

Another example would be the anguished hand-wringing after Sarah Everard's murder. Lots of sighing about how awful it is that women aren't safe on the streets. But not awful enough to campaign for clearly defined and protected single sex spaces to make women feel safer.

Abhannmor · 21/12/2022 11:53

RoyalCorgi · 21/12/2022 08:54

Rose - I agree Clarkson uses comic exaggeration for effect, and it can be quite funny, but in my view this went far beyond that. It was so extreme that it just came across as cruel and misogynistic. Even his own daughter criticised him.

But yes, I dare say if it had been one of their own making a similar attack on a Tory female MP, they'd have found a way of defending it. I was just reminded by an email from Glinner's substack how only a few months ago, OJ was trying to identify an anonymous schoolgirl who had been bullied in her sixth form for politely challenging a speaker's trans activist views. I still feel incredulous that a staff journalist on a supposedly respectable national newspaper would do that. And then he puts himself forward as a champion of women's rights...

That was shocking tbh. And even more shocking was the fact he wasn't fired for it.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 21/12/2022 14:55

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 20/12/2022 16:10

The derogatory use of 'woke' is straight out of the Trump/Proud Boys playbook and betrays the ever more right leanings of gender critical feminism.

A laughable remark.

Try to talk like an adult.

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RoyalCorgi · 21/12/2022 15:14

Try to talk like an adult.

They can't. All they have is insults: "you're right-wing", "you're ugly", "no man would want to have sex with you" - and so on, ad nauseam. They cannot provide rational, evidence-based arguments because their position is entirely irrational and based on faith, not evidence.

It doesn't matter how often they spew out insults or threats, the simple truth remains:

Humans cannot change sex.

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Ameanstreakamilewide · 21/12/2022 16:15

Spot on.

It's a gnats wing away from saying 'You smell' and 'Your Mum'.

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 21/12/2022 16:24

Calling others wokebro is the laughable bit.
Like, is woke supposed to be an insult?!
It seems to be the Daily Mail's go to insult so it's fine by me 😁
They have a self declared "War On Woke" where they're usually up in arms at someone or somewhere calling out racism or LGB /LGBT+ issues.
So the word woke really isn't the insult people seem to think it is 🙄😁

Thelnebriati · 21/12/2022 16:26

The derogatory use of 'woke' is straight out of the Trump/Proud Boys playbook and betrays the ever more right leanings of gender critical feminism.

In 2019 Barack Obama criticized “call-out culture” and “wokeness'', and challenged young activists for being judgemental because ''thats not activism''
www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2019/oct/30/barack-obama-calls-out-politically-woke-social-media-generation-video

SantaCarlaCalifornia · 21/12/2022 18:48

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 21/12/2022 16:24

Calling others wokebro is the laughable bit.
Like, is woke supposed to be an insult?!
It seems to be the Daily Mail's go to insult so it's fine by me 😁
They have a self declared "War On Woke" where they're usually up in arms at someone or somewhere calling out racism or LGB /LGBT+ issues.
So the word woke really isn't the insult people seem to think it is 🙄😁

If you're an example of what it is to be woke, I'm quite happy to opt out, thanks.
I remember what you said about WiSpa among other things and wouldn't want to be associated with anything you agreed with since then. I don't think you've got any right to claim the moral high-ground TBH.

You'll never find me saying that it's fine that any bloke can get changed with my daughter in the name of "wokeness". Let's hope it's not a woman or girl that you care about that gets the brunt of what this "wokeness" is going to cause.

Do you even feel the slightest bit guilty when you hear about crimes that have been committed due to allowing males into places they shouldn't be? Or do you just ignore it in the name of being right-on?

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 21/12/2022 19:05

WiSpa? Think you must be thinking of another poster there, wasn't me

wokebro · 21/12/2022 19:41

Extraordinary (though not untypical) behaviour from @RoyalCorgi who sets up a thread to criticise "wokebros and handmaidens" (for supporting a cause I imagine most people on Mumsnet would agree with) and then complains that all ''they have is insults"

SantaCarlaCalifornia · 21/12/2022 19:47

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 21/12/2022 19:05

WiSpa? Think you must be thinking of another poster there, wasn't me

Oh, so you're not the resident name changer then?

Apologies if not, you have an eerily similar typing style as someone that uses this board to stick up for any and all trans causes without once defending the women that are harmed by it. And yes, their opinion on WiSpa was that it was worse to film the altercation in the reception area than it was for a TW to get their dick out in front of women and kids.

BedTaker · 21/12/2022 19:50

These men are very much of the 'Women's Rights!......but only as long as it makes ME look good' persuasion.

There's lots of them about.

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 21/12/2022 19:59

wokebro · 21/12/2022 19:41

Extraordinary (though not untypical) behaviour from @RoyalCorgi who sets up a thread to criticise "wokebros and handmaidens" (for supporting a cause I imagine most people on Mumsnet would agree with) and then complains that all ''they have is insults"

Yeah, I mean we all (presumably,!) think what Clarkson said was disgusting, but yet there's a thread started calling those that don't toe the board's party line on trans issues insults and question their motives/must be lying/try hards/whatever blah blah?! 🙄

NotBadConsidering · 21/12/2022 20:14

wokebro · 21/12/2022 19:41

Extraordinary (though not untypical) behaviour from @RoyalCorgi who sets up a thread to criticise "wokebros and handmaidens" (for supporting a cause I imagine most people on Mumsnet would agree with) and then complains that all ''they have is insults"

Most people on Mumsnet support hypocritically ignoring male violence if carried out by trans activists? Really?

That’s a leap.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/12/2022 20:23

Extraordinary (though not untypical) behaviour from @RoyalCorgi who sets up a thread to criticise "wokebros and handmaidens" (for supporting a cause I imagine most people on Mumsnet would agree with) and then complains that all ''they have is insults"

@RoyalCorgi was criticising the hypocrisy, not the fact that any response was made.

wokebro · 21/12/2022 20:28

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/12/2022 20:23

Extraordinary (though not untypical) behaviour from @RoyalCorgi who sets up a thread to criticise "wokebros and handmaidens" (for supporting a cause I imagine most people on Mumsnet would agree with) and then complains that all ''they have is insults"

@RoyalCorgi was criticising the hypocrisy, not the fact that any response was made.

The homophobia in describing a prominent gay man whose politics you disAgree with as "talcum X" is
embarrassing and extremely childish.

If you then complain about "namecalling" you don't really have a leg to stand on if you want to call out what you consider other people's hypocrisy