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Kellie-Jay's New Political Party

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TheBadLuckOfTeelaBrown · 07/12/2022 13:34

I can't see a thread on this, but she is starting a new party and will run in elections.

twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1600235830475653123?s=20&t=hhlXpo7uErB4FlkFj1nSRA

www.theotherparty.co.uk

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OldCrone · 10/12/2022 16:23

Apart from that single contextless screenshot, has KJK said anything else about abortion?

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 16:23

NecessaryScene · 10/12/2022 16:20

Hasten to add Onnabugeisha did not actually say KJK would do that

Yes he did:

She would agree to and vote on an abortion ban or restriction in return for other MPs votes on her cause.

I think she would. Her words are not the views of a pro-choice feminist. No pro-choice feminist would even suggest that abortion rights could be set aside.

NecessaryScene · 10/12/2022 16:24

Look at the header…it is under “Replies” in his screenshot. It was right after he posted that long post about Roe v Wade being overturned.

Um, so if someone posts a cropped screenshot on Facebook where you can see the word "replies" you assume it must be a reply to the thread where the screenshot is posted?

Why would someone be posting a screenshot of a comment on the same thread, rather than just, I don't know, replying to it?

(I've never used Facebook, so maybe it's normal to screenshot comments there?)

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 16:24

Boiledbeetle · 10/12/2022 16:08

@Onnabugeisha Happy asked that question because that's what your posts read like: as an apologist for the male of the species.

No they don’t. You’re just doing more baseless attacks and insults.

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 16:26

NecessaryScene · 10/12/2022 16:24

Look at the header…it is under “Replies” in his screenshot. It was right after he posted that long post about Roe v Wade being overturned.

Um, so if someone posts a cropped screenshot on Facebook where you can see the word "replies" you assume it must be a reply to the thread where the screenshot is posted?

Why would someone be posting a screenshot of a comment on the same thread, rather than just, I don't know, replying to it?

(I've never used Facebook, so maybe it's normal to screenshot comments there?)

He got 1.1k comments on his Roe v. Wade post. He probably didn’t want to leave Posie Parkers reply it buried in there to get lost in the forest. Any reply he made would similarly be hard to find.

AlisonDonut · 10/12/2022 16:27

People have died because of transgenderism though haven't they?

Apart from the 'more trans murderers in prison than trans people murdered' we also have the woman who changed her sex marker on hospital records and who came into the ER with stomach pains and as they had to treat her as a man, she lost her baby. Or the person who was so distraught with their SRS surgery they recently committed suicide. Just off the top of my head...

Boiledbeetle · 10/12/2022 16:28

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 16:24

No they don’t. You’re just doing more baseless attacks and insults.

Meh I say what I see. I see you doing an awful lot of work to bring down another womn.

Solidarity sister!

NecessaryScene · 10/12/2022 16:29

He got 1.1k comments on his Roe v. Wade post. He probably didn’t want to leave Posie Parkers reply it buried in there to get lost in the forest. Any reply he made would similarly be hard to find.

Do you have any first-hand knowledge here? Or even second-hand? Are you just guessing? Did you or anyone you know ever see the comment on that thread?

Presumably the comment isn't there any more, or we'd have something less third-hand. Did she delete it?

ABirdcage · 10/12/2022 16:30

OldCrone · 10/12/2022 16:23

Apart from that single contextless screenshot, has KJK said anything else about abortion?

This video clip was pre Roe v Wade

NecessaryScene · 10/12/2022 16:30

22 whole seconds? You're spoiling us.

Seriously, why can't these people just use timestamp links to the real videos?

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 16:31

MarshaBradyo · 10/12/2022 16:09

Because it’s not a legal context it’s SM. KJK is not in court she’s just using the English language in a free way where set aside is the trifle meaning below.

I sense you are actually worried about this rather than having an agenda (although could be wrong), but you’ve taken a line and run with it unnecessarily.

There is no other English meaning for “setting aside” when talking about a legal right. There is no “trifle” meaning in that context.
dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/set-aside

If that’s not worth setting aside even the legal right to an abortion. I don’t know what is

the verb “setting aside” is acting on the object “the legal right to an abortion”

There is no other way to read this in plain English.

NecessaryScene · 10/12/2022 16:34

There is no other way to read this in plain English.

That's not the way the term works legally, because "right" is not a legal term.

"To set aside a judgment, decree, award, or any proceedings is to cancel, annul, or revoke them." Do you see the word "right" in there?

You can set aside a judgment or some other legal thing, but a right is a non-legal term describing the result of a judgment or a law.

LadyMary50 · 10/12/2022 16:38

I think it’s a very clever way for KJK to get her billboards up and to get all those politicians with no backbone to get off the fence.She gets my vote..

Boiledbeetle · 10/12/2022 16:38

I set aside some of the soup for Jim to have later.
We set aside a few dollars a month to buy furniture.
Could you set aside half an hour this afternoon to talk about Emma?

How do you know exactly in what context KJK meant those words did she preface them with I mean in the legal definition...?

AlisonDonut · 10/12/2022 16:39

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 16:31

There is no other English meaning for “setting aside” when talking about a legal right. There is no “trifle” meaning in that context.
dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/set-aside

If that’s not worth setting aside even the legal right to an abortion. I don’t know what is

the verb “setting aside” is acting on the object “the legal right to an abortion”

There is no other way to read this in plain English.

Set Aside also means:

'save or keep something, typically money or time, for a particular purpose.'

How are you to know the contents of a person's mind when they write stuff? This was on Facebook, not in court - you know that right?

Why not set this aside and wait until Tuesday night and go ask her if she is going to be campaigning for the abolition of abortions in her political party?

Hepwo · 10/12/2022 16:39

There's always at least one poster ready to pounce on the first page of a Posie thread and cycle through the playbook of misdemeanors isn't there?

I wonder who manages the rota?

Or is it a spontaneous defense against the terrible right wing overlords Posie has at her beck and call ready to invade on demand?

We must be protected from the white walkers. Sorry, right wingers.

MarshaBradyo · 10/12/2022 16:39

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 16:31

There is no other English meaning for “setting aside” when talking about a legal right. There is no “trifle” meaning in that context.
dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/set-aside

If that’s not worth setting aside even the legal right to an abortion. I don’t know what is

the verb “setting aside” is acting on the object “the legal right to an abortion”

There is no other way to read this in plain English.

Yes there is because posters are reading it differently to you.

No one poster is the sole arbiter on the meaning of words, I know you wish to be but it’s not how it works.

She was not in court or a writing a contract

I’m setting this aside because I want to prioritise x is perfectly acceptable

Also why do you spend so much time undermining and attacking?

Can’t you win what you are fighting for women in a better way?

Lead people - inspire them, get cut through (your chosen nemesis is quite good at this)

NecessaryScene · 10/12/2022 16:39

How are you to know the contents of a person's mind when they write stuff?

Just a thought - you could invite them to an interview and grill them?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/12/2022 16:40

And you're willing to sacrifice all women's other rights to get purported support for abortion. And then think you'll somehow keep the abortion right.

You may think you're "all in for all our rights", but you're clearly not.

This.

NecessaryScene · 10/12/2022 16:40

Challenge - can anyone find any example of "setting aside a right" occurring in a legal context. I'm trying myself.

Happylittlechicken · 10/12/2022 16:41

@Onnabugeisha you did indeed say those things. I have learned from you senpai. Why are you so invested in minimising violence on women, but using your hyperbollocks to convince us that KJK is the devil. Surely as a feminist you’d be more concerned with the attack on womens rights that is actually happening at the hands of misogynistic males who wish to erase us, rather than focussing on one comment by one women who may or may not sometime in the future be in a position to, according to you, ‘sacrifice the right to abortion’

you do realise that if the gender ideologists get their way, abortions will probably be banned anyway right? I mean, if you say men can have abortions, as the gender ideologists claim, that means they get a say in abortion rights. So men will determine womens rights to abortions.

AlisonDonut · 10/12/2022 16:41

This is a great exercise to iron all these points out long before she has to go to hustings, thanks so much @Onnabugeisha

OldCrone · 10/12/2022 16:41

You have asserted that women should not complain about males with trans identities raping them in female spaces as ‘men are gonna rape and assault anyway so let’s just make all spaces mixed sex’.

FALSE. I have never once written that.

You said this about the victims of Katie Dolatowski and Karen White, Onna, which amounts to the same thing:

They haven’t come to harm because of taking on the label TW or TG, but because they are violent men. The label itself didn’t turn them into violent men. They always were.

You imply that being trans had nothing to do with their crimes, when it had everything to do with them.

KD wouldn't have been able to assault young girls in women's toilets if he hadn't identified as a transwoman, which meant that other people didn't prevent him from entering the women's toilets.

KW couldn't have assaulted women in a women's prison if he hadn't convinced the authorities that he identified as a woman and should be in a women's prison himself.

Allowing men to identify as transgender and allowing them access to women-only spaces helps them to commit crimes.

It's a bit like leaving your house unlocked. Locking your house won't stop all burglaries from taking place, but leaving it unlocked makes it easier for the burglars. If we all left our houses unlocked, do you think there would be more burglaries or fewer?

For someone who claims not to be a TRA, you sound distinctly like one. All the same arguments that we've heard over and over again.

Boiledbeetle · 10/12/2022 16:42

I wonder who manages the rota?@Hepwo certainly not us we didn't even know we had a secret group,and a Rota, or a shiny twat signal.

MarshaBradyo · 10/12/2022 16:43

NecessaryScene · 10/12/2022 16:40

Challenge - can anyone find any example of "setting aside a right" occurring in a legal context. I'm trying myself.

I don’t think it would have legal meaning

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