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Women protesting in front of Alameda County Courthouse attacked!

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Helleofabore · 06/12/2022 11:06

This seems to be the new norm.

A pie in the face and destruction of signs. And it looks like the bike might have bumped into the person taking the video on the way through to snatch the sign.

And it looks like it was only one or two people attacking them in a quick 'snatch and grab' action. But their violence was clear.

twitter.com/ReduxxMag/status/1599852773809750017?s=20&t=00dZ3FNXiMKS560z-h8HOg

For those without twitter. The tweets accompanying the video is:

BREAKING: Women with WDI_USA were just attacked by black-clad trans activists in California.

The women were confronted and had a sign stolen while peacefully demonstrating against the placement of males in female prisons.

Police have been contacted.

The women had gathered outside of the Alameda County Courthouse in response to the trial of Dana Rivers, a prominent trans activist who was recently convicted in the murder of a family.

Rivers may be placed in a women's prison.

^READ: bit.ly/3Vx2J4p^

Thank you to all the brave women who protest in front of these prisons and court houses to protect female inmates. I am sorry that these women have been attacked. Obviously for using words that cause hurt feelings in this case.

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Helleofabore · 07/12/2022 18:42

Sorry, not just hyperbole, but the attempt at emotional manipulation.

When you realise a poster relies only on that, you cannot unsee it.

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Helleofabore · 07/12/2022 18:44

334bu · 07/12/2022 17:51

Why do these men think that a violent male prisoner should be sent to a female prison they must obviously hate women ?

When you have convinced yourself that males can be females 334, you can convince yourself that they no longer have male patterns of crime. Even if they are in prison for just that crime.

There is no logic to it.

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Helleofabore · 07/12/2022 18:47

GrinitchSpinach · 07/12/2022 17:54

The man on the bicycle struck two women, and the person with the umbrella struck a woman. Stop minimizing this as just "lobbing food."

The language used is absolutely at odds with being concerned with any level of violence against women.

'lobbing food' is just the latest minimisation. It totally counters the any acknowledgement at all.

It is bizarre behaviour.

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334bu · 07/12/2022 18:54

Quite a way to express your hate of women by advocating for violent male offenders to be imprisoned with female prisoners. Rape as punishment for being female must really delight men who hate women

Hawkins001 · 07/12/2022 18:56

First and foremost my sympathies.

could this have been staged to give a boost to the protesters cause ?

Helleofabore · 07/12/2022 19:03

Just to be clear onnabug.

You have no idea what I think about the violence of protests outside these small feminist rallies, because I have chosen to not discuss them with you.

I don’t believe anyone else on this thread has chosen to either.

Because you are the only person discussing them in an attempt to minimize the violence against women speaking.

I don’t believe one reasonable person would think that my opinion of violence would be any different regarding any protest that have turned violent. You accusations really have become absurd lately.

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Helleofabore · 07/12/2022 19:04

Hawkins001 · 07/12/2022 18:56

First and foremost my sympathies.

could this have been staged to give a boost to the protesters cause ?

I do not believe so. I don’t think the women involved would attempt to stage this at all. Why would you think so?

What has convinced you that this is a possibility?

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GrinitchSpinach · 07/12/2022 19:25

Hawkins001 · 07/12/2022 18:56

First and foremost my sympathies.

could this have been staged to give a boost to the protesters cause ?

Doubtful, since anti-woman activists are taking credit for the assault and have published photos of themselves burning the banner they stole:

www.indybay.org/newsitems/2022/12/07/18853301.php

nilsmousehammer · 07/12/2022 19:47

Hawkins001 · 07/12/2022 18:56

First and foremost my sympathies.

could this have been staged to give a boost to the protesters cause ?

😂

Oh God. Do you laugh or cry?

If we can't make it ok for men to abuse and beat up women (for daring to say they don't want men to abuse and beat up women) can we at least imply that the women staged it themselves?

How does that song go.... if the facts don't fit my narrative, I'll just believe alternatives cos otherwise my brain will blow up...

Helleofabore · 07/12/2022 20:02

GrinitchSpinach · 07/12/2022 19:25

Doubtful, since anti-woman activists are taking credit for the assault and have published photos of themselves burning the banner they stole:

www.indybay.org/newsitems/2022/12/07/18853301.php

Well. They are proud of themselves aren’t they?

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FlirtsWithRhinos · 07/12/2022 20:21

I do hope people who feel we must dismiss women's concerns about attacks on women because other groups get it much much worse are also going to dismiss trans day of remembrance and challenge the priorities of those protesting violence against trans people because the rate of violence and murder perpetrated on female people by male, or on black people by white, or on children by adults, is several orders of magnitude higher.

Because to do otherwise would be dreadfully hypocritical wouldn't it?

Helleofabore · 07/12/2022 20:27

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Withdrawn at poser's request

Helleofabore · 07/12/2022 20:42

Dear MNHQ, Please note that the above post is a direct cut and paste from the link above from the trans activists that stole the banners from the protestors in Oakland.

This is most certainly not my words.

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nilsmousehammer · 07/12/2022 21:08

Yeah well that tells you pretty much everything you need to know, doesn't it?

Hawkins001 · 07/12/2022 22:27

nilsmousehammer · 07/12/2022 19:47

😂

Oh God. Do you laugh or cry?

If we can't make it ok for men to abuse and beat up women (for daring to say they don't want men to abuse and beat up women) can we at least imply that the women staged it themselves?

How does that song go.... if the facts don't fit my narrative, I'll just believe alternatives cos otherwise my brain will blow up...

History has shown, we have false flag operations, we have propaganda, we have human deception, we have had a very big court case, these days who knows

Hawkins001 · 07/12/2022 22:28

And for the record in my view its never ok, for male or female violence. We are ment to be civilised society yet omg 😲

Helleofabore · 07/12/2022 22:33

Hawkins001 · 07/12/2022 22:27

History has shown, we have false flag operations, we have propaganda, we have human deception, we have had a very big court case, these days who knows

Do you mean feminists? Feminists have been involved in human deception?

Which feminists please? I would like to know more.

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Hawkins001 · 07/12/2022 22:37

Helleofabore · 07/12/2022 22:33

Do you mean feminists? Feminists have been involved in human deception?

Which feminists please? I would like to know more.

I was generalizing on human nature in general, to prove that you cannot presume everyone motives is 100% honourable.

Helleofabore · 07/12/2022 22:42

Hawkins001 · 07/12/2022 22:28

And for the record in my view its never ok, for male or female violence. We are ment to be civilised society yet omg 😲

While I agree with you that violence is not OK for either sex, I am not sure why you think this has been staged.

I have never heard of women protesting about males being incarcerated with females if those males say they are women staging any fake attacks. I cannot fathom why they ever would.

Considering there is a group claiming to have done it, it seems even more remotely plausible that it was staged.

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antelopevalley · 07/12/2022 22:49

@Onnabugeisha I agree with you.
Don't expect most to understand the points you made though when there was outright racism posted in the thread about Southalll Black Sisters.

Murica · 08/12/2022 00:36

GrinitchSpinach · 07/12/2022 11:07

I think that poster has made their point (that peaceful women in the public square should face political violence as long as no one is seriously injured) and we have disagreed.

At this point I would love to move on from their domination of the discussion by saying the same thing over and over.

I agree. And I'd urge everyone to ignore posters who are clearly not from the US presenting themselves as experts.

nilsmousehammer · 08/12/2022 00:45

You agree with men hitting women and throwing things at them for protesting peacefully for the safety of other women?

I swear, there are those who get off on this. It's all about the jollies of seeing women battered and hurt, and celebrating knob-power. There is just no other explanation left at this point.

nilsmousehammer · 08/12/2022 00:49

Not to mention I thought aligning yourself with anyone even potentially dodgy was these days a hanging and burning offense?

This would seem to be aligning with the authors of that amazing, violent, raging rant Hellebore posted above. They don't have one grain of sanity left between them. These are not well people, to put it politely.

GrinitchSpinach · 08/12/2022 01:20

celebrating knob-power.

Nils, I think I love you. 😂😂😂 This is a perfect distillation of the attackers’ mindset.

Helleofabore · 08/12/2022 02:59

antelopevalley · 07/12/2022 22:49

@Onnabugeisha I agree with you.
Don't expect most to understand the points you made though when there was outright racism posted in the thread about Southalll Black Sisters.

How remarkable that you agree with onnabug. I believe you too dismissed the violence in Tacoma. Despite me asking numerous times whether you really were dismissing it.

Because surely, antelope, someone such as you who has posted such surprising posts (Hong Kong boarding school ring a bell as an immediate start) expressing the intensity of your dislike of Kellie Jay Keen and who decreed yourself the real type of feminist would not dismiss any violent act towards women, even those you vehemently disagree with.

I don’t believe you acknowledged that violence against the women on that thread at the time. I am very happy for you to point me to the time stamp where you did post a clear acknowledgment thought . I remember that I think I combed through the thread twice looking for that acknowledgment at the time.

Remarkable that you have now again joined a poster who wishes to make this thread about anything but the violence experienced in Oakland where it was women of a range of backgrounds protesting.

They were protesting peacefully about the potential that Rivers would be placed in a female prison cell. For murdering two women who were lesbians and their teenaged son.

Do you agree that this murderer should not be placed in a female prison estate ?

Or do you think this male should be placed in a female prison estate, where this male could and most likely would then share a cell with a female inmate?

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