Women protesting in front of Alameda County Courthouse attacked!

[Helleofabore]

This seems to be the new norm.

A pie in the face and destruction of signs. And it looks like the bike might have bumped into the person taking the video on the way through to snatch the sign.

And it looks like it was only one or two people attacking them in a quick 'snatch and grab' action. But their violence was clear.

twitter.com/ReduxxMag/status/1599852773809750017?s=20&t=00dZ3FNXiMKS560z-h8HOg

For those without twitter. The tweets accompanying the video is:

BREAKING: Women with WDI_USA were just attacked by black-clad trans activists in California.

The women were confronted and had a sign stolen while peacefully demonstrating against the placement of males in female prisons.

Police have been contacted.

The women had gathered outside of the Alameda County Courthouse in response to the trial of Dana Rivers, a prominent trans activist who was recently convicted in the murder of a family.

Rivers may be placed in a women's prison.

^READ: bit.ly/3Vx2J4p^

Thank you to all the brave women who protest in front of these prisons and court houses to protect female inmates. I am sorry that these women have been attacked. Obviously for using words that cause hurt feelings in this case.

It is such a concern that these events are encountering violent males every time now.

It is such a concern that these people - of both sexes, feel that their assaults and intimidation are fully justified and that they are righteous.

No reasonable person would ever think these responses are proportionate. And yet, I don't see any lobby groups calling this behaviour out. Even on UK soil - there are no UK lobby groups saying.. ... actually ' these protests are going too far and we don't condone this violence'. There is nothing.

Crickets are chirping loudly.

Protests in the USA are not as peaceful and law abiding as ones in the U.K. The risks are much higher.

A pie in the face, eggs being thrown, signs snatched are not “going too far” or considered “violence” in a country where other protesters are regularly shot with rubber bullets and some are even shot and killed with real bullets or killed by being rammed by a car or SUV (yes I’m talking about even since 2020, not in the bad old days).

No one calls out anything unless there is actual serious injury or death at a US protest.
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled

Of course crickets are chirping.

Are we to just accept that then? Just accept that any woman who protests is likely to be assaulted?

Women who are assaulted should be grateful it wasn't more violent, I think.

Ah the age old message of misogyny and abusive men.

Look what you made me do?

If you didn't ask for it, I wouldn't have to batter the crap out of you like an unevolved chimp whose masculinity is bit wobbly.

Well onnabug considering we had quite a number (were you one of them?) of posters on the Tacoma thread stating that pies and silly string were not acts of violence or that those acts were dismissed because the women were singing, chanting and yelling mean things, I guess it is not just the USA, is it? I assume that the large % of those posters were based here in the UK.

Indeed at least one of them continued on the Hyde Park thread and declared having an unknown substance sprayed in women's faces was not an act of violence either.

No, it’s not acceptable but it’s a bit tone deaf to say

“It is such a concern that these events are encountering violent males every time now.” Along with “This seems to be the new norm. A pie in the face and destruction of signs.“

When you look at the USA and protests that this “new norm” is actually much less violent than in the recent past and of such insignificance compared to the murderous violence that quite a few peaceful BLM protesters have faced in recent years.

If it’s a “new norm” for the USA it is actually quite heartening to see compared to killed by gun violence, death by vehicle, water cannons and tear gas. 🤷‍♀️

Assaults on women are 'heartening to see'? Good lord.

Could you be any more open about your glee at seeing women attacked for peacefully protesting @Onnabugeisha?? Blimey.

You’re deliberately taking my post out of context.

I said it’s not acceptable, but given the way protests in the USA can and have gone down, I think it’s pretty tone deaf to imply what happened is some new escalation of violence when it is clearly a significant de-escalation of violence.

I dont know if you have seen Antifa in action before? Usually they’re not coming at you with cream pies and eggs. Usually it’s bricks and glass bottles.

It’s not wrong to point out these women were actually quite lucky. It could have been much worse.

"It's not acceptable, but... " isn't a genuine expression of thinking it's not acceptable. It's like those crap mealy mouthed apologies where people say "I'm sorry if you were offended". It's insincere. You can try to hide it but your anger at women with opinions different to yours is palpable.

Im not angry, I just think you’re confusing the USA with the U.K.

Protests are not usually peaceful there. Full stop. It’s a bit naive to be pretending that cream pies and an egg or two are some new escalation in violence for the US and women are being targeted with heightened violence and assaults. What these women experienced could easily have been far worse.

This description matches the average protest from the ones I’ve seen/been to in the USA: “Within an hour of meeting, both sides began pushing, punching, paint-balling, and macing each other. There was one incident in which a protester pointed a gun at other protesters, with no shots fired.”

Side note: King Charles III has had eggs thrown at him twice in the past month….what’s your thought on that?

Here’s a quick list of recent deaths of protesters in the USA. I don’t have time to trawl for all of them, but deaths are the tip of a pyramid. Usually there are tons of minor injuries requiring medical attention during protests.

31 May 2020
A 19-year-old man has died in Detroit after shots were fired into a crowd of people protesting against the death of unarmed black man George Floyd in Minneapolis.

25 July 2020
Garret Foster shot and killed by Daniel Perry after Daniel Perry drove his car into a crowd of BLM protesters. He was pushing his quadruple-amputee fiancée’s wheelchair before he was killed.

25 Aug 2020
Kenosha, Washington, Kyle Rittenhouse shot three men, two fatally in August 2020 when he was 17 years old. At his trial in November 2021, a jury found Rittenhouse not guilty of murder.

29 Aug 2020
On August 29, a large group of pro-Trump counterprotesters, arrived in downtown Portland. They were met with opposition from the protesters, resulting in multiple instances of physical clashes.[83] 1 counterprotester was shot and killed in an incident during the protest.

6 January 2021
Alisha Babbitt took a fatal bullet to the chest during the mayhem inside the Capitol. Video footage captured the sound of the gunshot, and showed the woman crumpling to the floor from multiple angles.

13 June 2021,
Minneapolis, a man drove a car into a crowd of demonstrators who had gathered as a part of the ongoing Winston Boogie Smith protests, killing Deona Marie Knajdek and injuring three others

So, add patronising to the list too.

The women were lucky they weren’t peacefully protesting Native Americans too.
Police Use Water Cannon on Dakota Pipeline Protesters [Drone Footage]
m.youtube.com/watch?v=tpDx__pY-sw

Every post just emphasises how much you seem to want each of those things to have happened to these particular women. It's transparent.

Don’t be ridiculous, you’re only upset because it’s showing the shock & horror over a cream pie and an egg or two, is over-egging things a bit. You can decry violence while putting it into its proper perspective:

Lets all pause a moment to think about this young woman:
28 November 2022- A woman taking part in this week’s protest at Columbia University against China’s COVID lockdown was repeatedly punched in the head and knocked unconscious, police say. The 21-year-old victim was demonstrating with other people on West 116th Street just before 8 p.m. when a man she didn’t know approached her and punched her multiple times in the head, causing her to pass out, cops said.

Its all violence, but some violence is objectively worse than other violence so that’s not something I would say. I presume you are taking about the recent protest in Tacoma that was part of the Standing Up for Women Tour?

Funny how you failed to recall how at least one woman at Tacoma also brought mace and used it. So they weren’t all singing, chanting and saying mean things. (See pic below)

and allegation of same woman’s later use on another protester:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=kgOUSN2g5Bw

So safe to say that since spraying an unknown substance that turns out to be harmless, then likewise spraying mace which is definitely not harmless would also be violence and of a greater degree. And greater violence than cream pies or eggs come to think of it.

Protests often get heated in the US. The more people that show up, the greater the risk of violence.

Violence to women is ok if they deserve it and it's not actually maiming or killing them (yet). I don't believe I'm hearing this.

Fgs the lengths some people will go to to excuse and justify the absolutely fucking totally unacceptable. Psychopathy in the name of the new religious mania.

I have got to stop reading these threads first thing in the morning. Starting the day absolutely sickened by the depths of which this ideology will sink, and the pernicious waffle that some will employ to in order to further their hatred of females is bloody awful for mental health and any lingering faith in the goodness of this world.

So, rather than point out to the world how far this has now gone, that it is not just large scale protests that turn violent in a country that prides itself on being that democracy leader for the world, you advise proportionality.

You are here saying, look at what could have happened and those women should be thankful.

You are saying that a small rally for women speaking, sometimes with just 10 or so women peacefully making speeches on the footsteps of the court house and surrounds, such as this Oakland event, should of course, expect violence. And that us discussing it and pointing out that this is unacceptable and has gone too far, is ‘tone deaf’.

Do you think that readers don’t see your tactics? When on your own thread you use extreme polarisation to categorise a polite question to a child or teen as ‘attack’, ‘confrontational, ‘harassment’ and ‘abuse’ and implore feminists, who you tried to blame for children being asked if they were in the right toilet, to never ‘attack’ children. Like feminists are ‘attacking’ children???

Your posts lack coherency and consistency.

No! Women don’t have to shut up about the violence that women! Including middle aged women dressed in t-shirts with their faces not covered, who have faced at rallies where there should be no expectation of violence.

Not only do your posts effectively declare those attacking women with eggs, water, silly string and pies in the face as not doing egregious acts compared to others who killed people they disagree with.

Your posts victim blame the women for the violent acts against them.

Tone deaf? Discussing violence against women on a feminist board?

Well fuck! Whoodathunkit!

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4663595-standing-for-women-portland-rally-cancelled-over-violent-threats?page=1

Yes. I was referring to this thread. Maybe you would like to point out your posts on that thread linked.

Funny how you failed to recall how at least one woman at Tacoma also brought mace and used it.

Yes. One woman used it in self defense. Nice selective screen capture there. It missed the person stepping up to within inches of the woman’s face and staring for around 4 minutes before that person spat at her. I know because I analysed the clip and the actions taken.

oh yeah… the man standing to the shoulder of that person, also was carrying spray and sprayed it at the woman. She sprayed him too.

Let us also tell readers that the woman had been assaulted a few days before in Portland. The event where cream pies were thrown at women.

And also please give us the time stamp for where that teenager claimed it was the same person? And please point out the footage that supported that claim? You know the one they claimed was evidence? If I remember correctly that same man that we know had pepper spray was right there with that teenager, who had been previously also videoed spitting at women and was actively intimidating women leaving the event. The women had already left the space minutes before and were walking away.

Your post is full of cobbled together misrepresentations meant to portray a woman who was defending herself as the attacker.

Was that woman right to take pepper spray, maybe not. but then she had been assaulted that week already?

Those protesters who were intimidating women, the drowning out of women’s voices, the stepping up to push women back, the spitting and the spraying and the breaking of hands with the final acts of following women leaving, could have chosen to peacefully protest.

They did not. They chose violence.

”likewise spraying mace which is definitely not harmless would also be violence and of a greater degree. And greater violence than cream pies or eggs come to think of it.”

And that is fucked up to compare a woman defending herself with people attacking women with unknown substances.

So fucked up.

So safe to say that since spraying an unknown substance that turns out to be harmless, then likewise spraying mace which is definitely not harmless would also be violence and of a greater degree. And greater violence than cream pies or eggs come to think of it.

There it is!

In one paragraph of misrepresentation of a woman defending herself, onnabug dismisses violence towards women. In fact, seems to be justifying violence by placing spraying defensive pepper spray at a greater level of violence than attackers throwing and spraying unknown substances.

The pepper spray wasn’t in self defence in Tacoma. Nice try though. It was, how did you put it “No reasonable person would ever think these responses are proportionate”, it was a disproportionate response and escalation of violence.

Im not dismissing any violence btw, Ive said it is all violence.

It seems you are the only one dismissing violence by firstly neglecting to mention the greatest violence in Tacoma was done by women and when that is pointed out, you then go on to justify this violence because it was done by a woman.

Funny how you failed to recall how at least one woman at Tacoma also brought mace and used it. So they weren’t all singing, chanting and saying mean things. (See pic below)

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Some of us have seen the full footage that still was taken from, exchanged posts with the woman involved. You can't pull that one sweetheart!

That woman had been pushed, threatened and bullied by the man in the picture. He then spat at her, which is when she sprayed him - and it was not mace. The man to the side had a cannister that was mace, and he stepped in to spray her. She was physically assaulted by 2 men.

Oh, and it wasn't Tacoma!

You have cobbled together a sad conglomeration of half truths and are doing the same old sad same old. Spreading disinformation and flat out lies to make a point that cannot be sustained any other way!

Sad.

The pepper spray wasn’t in self defence in Tacoma

Yes it was.

Not only had she been sprayed just minutes before with silly string stuff, the person she pepper sprayed deliberately walked up to her, stood practically touching her and stared at her for around 4 minutes.

And then spat at her.

Spitting is assault.

That person was sprayed after they pushed the sign away that the woman used to defend herself from being spat at.

You can try to twist it all you like onnabug, I believe you have before.

The pepper spray was used because a person used intimidation tactics before spitting at the woman.

You are dismissing the first act, intimidation, completely and the second act, spitting, completely as well.

That is on you. Own it.

You are dismissing violence against women. Just as I believe you have before.