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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

So biological sex matters when it comes to men being at a disadvantage in sport. Rightio 😡

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Ndd135632 · 06/12/2022 09:41

US rowing - throw women’s only rowing under a bus by accepting men who have gone through male puberty but are now magically women. But when it comes to mixed boats of 8 the 4 women have to ba e been born female. Why? Because otherwise it’s unfair on the men in the other boats. Riiiiiiiiiight. Got it. 😡

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buckeejit · 06/12/2022 09:43

That is so infuriating & a perfect example of the unfairness

bellinisurge · 06/12/2022 09:44

Wankers

nilsmousehammer · 06/12/2022 09:46

😂

Not madly misogynist at all!

And sex really doesn't exist and isn't a thing and you'd have to be a biologist/do chromosome checks/genital checks! There's LOADS of sexes!

But there's only ever two at the heart of all this, and everyone knows which one gets whatever they want and which one gets the shitty end of the stick every, single, bloody time.

'Let's make women having equality to men 'transphobic' - that'll shut those uppity bitches up for a few years'.

Beowulfa · 06/12/2022 09:48

How bioessentialist of them.

Ndd135632 · 06/12/2022 09:48

Is there actually someone saying - I wonder how bloody obvious we have to make it to kick those women out of ‘be kind’ mode and see this for what it is.

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Ndd135632 · 06/12/2022 09:53

@Beowulfa exactly. Utter transphobes the lot of ‘em

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Brefugee · 06/12/2022 09:54

so the best option for women is to go only into mixed teams?

OldCrone · 06/12/2022 09:58

It's the usual TWAW unless this belief negatively affects men.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/12/2022 09:59

The mixed event is properly inclusive, the non female half is open so TW can still participate.

I note the mixed event is 'masters only' - I wonder if their rationality and fairness in this category is partly because even misogynistic chumps can see when people who used to row in their younger male team displace those who used to row in the women's boat?

ErrolTheDragon · 06/12/2022 10:00

Brefugee · 06/12/2022 09:54

so the best option for women is to go only into mixed teams?

Not in contact sports, obviously

Brefugee · 06/12/2022 10:08

sorry, i meant in rowing. It's the only way you will row with and against biological women.

It makes me boilingly angry for women in sport now. I'm glad my sports days are over because I'd be banned for saying what i think

Walkingtheplank · 06/12/2022 10:10

I've said previously that these mixed teams will be what finally peaks sport. Can you imagine 2 blokes in swimming costumes competing in the mixed swimming teams or mixed triathlon at the Olympics - never going to happen as that's not fair on men.

viques · 06/12/2022 10:16

I have an image of those muscly rowers frowning as they see the other team has snuck in a couple of transwomen, and I can hear them too, little lips wobbling, trying not to cry, sounding like seven year olds the world over “ It’s not faaaaaair.”

Ndd135632 · 06/12/2022 10:18

Well the hierarchy is achingly clear.

  1. biological men who identify as men
  2. biological men who identify as women
  3. biological women whatever they identify as

If group 1 is disadvantaged by group 2 then sex matters. But group 2 can be women when it is only group 3 they disadvantage.

Clear and many thanks

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Helleofabore · 06/12/2022 10:24

I read this when it first came out.

It seems to be 'following' the World Rowing guidelines.

They have stashed in there that these guidelines will be reviewed every 12 months officially.

I think they are either very weak in regards to power to influence the world organisation and/or are fully ideologically captured.

These are obviously not exclusive and could both be true.

Helleofabore · 06/12/2022 10:26

What has also become noticable (this is not meant to be a derail OP) is that cycling events are becoming increasingly visible with male place getters. I tried to find a tweet thread by Alison Sydor the other day that had the current place getters and it is rapidly growing.

I hope that those examples from cycling could be used for all the sporting organisations.

nilsmousehammer · 06/12/2022 10:29

Ndd135632 · 06/12/2022 10:18

Well the hierarchy is achingly clear.

  1. biological men who identify as men
  2. biological men who identify as women
  3. biological women whatever they identify as

If group 1 is disadvantaged by group 2 then sex matters. But group 2 can be women when it is only group 3 they disadvantage.

Clear and many thanks

That needs putting on a t shirt and on a lot of billboards.

Signalbox · 06/12/2022 10:31

I wonder why none of these sport cases have ended up in a courtroom yet. They’re not even applying the logic consistently. Why is nobody suing?

Ndd135632 · 06/12/2022 10:35

@Signalbox agree. If it were pure ideological capture then why is it not ok to have a ‘mixed’ boat of 4 men and 4 men who identify as women?

This isn’t ideological capture. This is men wanting an easy life until it affects them.

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Kucingsparkles · 06/12/2022 10:36

Funny how when men are the ones affected, then suddenly everybody is awfully clear that sex isn't a spectrum, we can accurately identify the sex of humans, and males do have physical advantage in sport. It's quite a miracle, isn't it? Hmm

MangyInseam · 06/12/2022 10:40

I think it's pretty common in sports where you have had in the past mixed teams, that they are well aware of the issues in sex differences around performance. It's the same in mixed tennis, or rugby.

Somehow there is a failure to take that information and apply it when these questions about transwomen come up. I don't think it's really been the same people making the decisions.

MsRosley · 06/12/2022 11:01

All the rage here. When are people going to wake up the misogyny in all this?

nilsmousehammer · 06/12/2022 11:29

Ndd135632 · 06/12/2022 10:35

@Signalbox agree. If it were pure ideological capture then why is it not ok to have a ‘mixed’ boat of 4 men and 4 men who identify as women?

This isn’t ideological capture. This is men wanting an easy life until it affects them.

Which comes down to really at heart, seeing the true purpose of females as resources male people are entitled to make use of for their own needs. And the ones you can safely dump work and inconvenience on to spare yourself.

Syrax · 06/12/2022 11:34

Jesus wept, this really does lay it bare for all to see doesn’t it?

Doesn’t it????

Babasghost · 06/12/2022 11:39

Total disgrace.