So that's why Susie Green left

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Charity commission launches formal inquiry into Mermaids:
twitter.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1598666394610147329?s=20&t=x_Supvwk6lHkKBR7a-ESSw

About bloody time!

I find it so disturbing, the misuse of the term ‘lifesaving’.

Transplant surgery, mountain rescue, triple heart bypass, controlling sepsis. Lifesaving usually refers to some timely intervention, without which, a person would die.

However, as far as I am aware, if you believe someone is a danger to themselves or someone else, without timely intervention, you get them sectioned into mental health services. I don’t think I have heard of the mental health unit described as a ‘lifesaving’ service, even though it indirectly is.

Did you notice her stumble on the sanitised word ‘healthcare’?

Manipulative, dangerous ideologues the pair of them. Goodness knows what horrors they’ll be responsible for going forward.

Especially seeing this is a global service. How is she going to be sure that the ‘parent’ who wants block their child’s puberty isn’t a child sex abuser posing as their parent?

What’s that term that body language experts have for fleeting smiles during inappropriate topics?

Especially seeing this is a global service. How is she going to be sure that the ‘parent’ who wants block their child’s puberty isn’t a child sex abuser posing as their parent?

I’ve seen 14/15 year olds on Reddit saying they got approved for cross sex hormones on the GenderGP fund without parental involvement.

I’ve also seen parents complain that the funding has only been given for a year so the families are then faced with finding the money themselves or ‘forcible detransition’ for financial reasons.

I wonder how much of SG’s wage will come out of public donations? What did she get from Mermaids? 80k?

I genuinely do not want any young person to suffer (any more than teenagers usually have angst). I am trying to be kind and put myself in the role of troubled teen or parent and in both cases, I would want this kind of service.

However, I have seen this kind of outcry before about anorexia and suicide. As a thought experiment, replace trans with either anorexic or suicidal. An organisation with no real healthcare expertise, potentially staffed by struck-off doctors or doctors based internationally, who are happy to send drugs through the post, are surely not the kind of people you want caring for your anorexic or suicidal teen. Why is it different for trans kids???

Is it not illegal to get prescription drugs from abroad?

Kids on blockers need regular bone density scans and careful monitoring. GenderGP do not require this.
GenderGP don’t see their patients in person at all.

FtM transition is much more fraught than the other way, lots of young transmen have complained about a lack of hormone level monitoring from GenderGP leading to polycythaemia or erythrocytosis.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33599731/

Lots of these adolescents are ‘complex cases’ with comorbid SEN and/or mental illness/self harm/ED. GenderGP are not legitimate providers in the eyes of the NHS so unlike normal UK private services there is no relationship between the NHS GP/CAMHS.

Gender GP is an irresponsible shitshow.

Why is it different for trans kids???

It shouldn't be, it shouldn't be. We also wouldn't consider cosmetic surgery, such as a radical bilateral mastectomy, a treatment for any body image issue in a young person or an older person, but rather a grave medical intervention in the event of a potentially life threatening diagnosis.

The reason is that some highly motivated individuals have made it terrifying for many people to voice concerns and in response, many who should know better are pretending that it's not absolutely alarming. To save their jobs, their reputations and their relationships for as long as possible.

Nope. People can buy and import from elsewhere pretty freely but no guarantee on those grey market imports being legitimate medications.

GenderGP work by issuing prescriptions to be redeemed in the country where the service user resides. They have some partner pharmacies who do this electronically for adults but after the hooha where a UK pharmacy was reported to their regulator by one of the newspapers, they stopped that for under 18s.

Under 18s get either a paper prescription in the post, signed by the Romanian doctor or they can have prescriptions issued electronically by Clynexx (a third party service, iirc). However loads of UK pharmacies have started refusing the paper prescriptions and I’ve seen service users complaining that the Clynexx ones are coming through signed by the Egyptian doctor (rendering them useless in the UK).

Clucking Bell, Mrs. Nigel.

I seem to remember there were problems with people getting medicines from EU countries, after Brexit kicked in properly. Foreign nationals here and British people getting them cheaper.

Perhaps I'm wrong and they just had to pay tax, before delivery?

The idea will be to get to the children, who will then tell the parents that GP Care is a kind and caring organisation that will help them get around the UK waiting lists. For those without the money GP Care will give them the initial 'consultation' for free and probably fund some of the drugs for a while, knowing that once the children start they will never stop. And then once hooked the parents for the child will have to pay for the prescriptions and drugs. And you have a lifetime of patients to fund your income stream.

I think we should be very careful not to talk about trans kids. They are children experiencing gender dysphoria. Trans is one possible outcome of that, not a foregone conclusion.

it’s dangerous to start from the assumption that they are ‘trans kids’ because that shuts down questions and possibilities and funnels them towards highly medicalised interventions with potentially life long effects.

The affirmation model and identity politics wants to rush straight to trans as the answer and to vilify anyone who wants to explore other options.

If you take your child to the GP with chronic migraines, then the NHS will
investigate the various possible problems that might present as chronic migraines. Insisting these are kids with a neurological issue is not a good idea because, actually, the problem might be gastrointestinal (coeliac disease can present as migraine, and only migraine, in some children).

All children should be treated in this open ended, exploratory manner - whether they’re experiencing migraines, joint paints, vision problems, or any of the various things that might be described as ‘gender dysphoria’.

Insisting they are ‘trans kids’ who are being denied treatment (puberty blockers etc) is poor medical practice. Indeed, doing this is treating ‘trans kids’ differently from other children.

It’s horrendous to contemplate. All these adult-aged people who have the naive brains and sexually immature bodies of children.

I think there were indeed additional taxes and also delays on receiving purchases due to lack of infrastructure to ensure the new system.

A lot of MtF adults online buy estrogen injections from a transgender person in UKRAINE, so that was a big drama in transland.

LinkedIn today inviting members to congratulate Susie green on becoming Project Director at Gender GP

Dunno why my phone decided to shout Ukraine out loud but here is Lena who makes estrogen injections at home in Kiev:

lena.kiev.ua/?lat#eng

100% this.

If confronted with it, what happens to Jackie?

It doesn’t bear thinking about. I can’t imagine.

Yes. The most intractable supporters of this ideology will be the parents who've staked everything on it - the ones who've medicalised their children, who've created an activist identity for themselves, who have bullied their families and friends into believing it...how can they turn from it and face the damage it can do? So much to lose.

Of course, the children who don't want this any more will suffer too, knowing that their parents have ostensibly done this for them and they will also be trapped in it if they day comes when they don't feel the same way. How do you tell the parent who fought for what you said you wanted that you've changed your mind?

It's a mess.

The doctors, social workers, psychologists, journalists, teachers, civil servants, politicians and all the other professionals who colluded in it for an easy life and some kudos are to blame and ought to be ashamed. But they won't be, they'll skip along to the next thing and pretend this never happened. They'll abandon all the damaged people to pick up the pieces in their families and homes.

Kids on blockers need regular bone density scans and careful monitoring.

If that's the case, does that mean it's possible for a bone scan etc to show a problem that means the medication needs to be stopped? What happens then with the "lifesaving"/"affirming" approach?

Nice work if you can get it, eh?

Surely this can't be legal? It's definitely immoral.

Cailin66
For those without the money GP Care will give them the initial 'consultation' for free and probably fund some of the drugs for a while, knowing that once the children start they will never stop

Tom Lehrer had this right, all those years ago, in The Old Dope Pedlar:

"He gives the kids free samples
Because he knows full well
That today's young innocent faces
Will be tomorrow's clientele.
Here's an end to all your troubles
Here's a cure for all distress:
It's the old dope pedlar
With his powdered happiness."

This article seems relevant here:
www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids

'Other girls were disturbed by the effects of testosterone on their clitoris, which enlarges and grows into what looks like a microphallus, or a tiny penis. I counseled one patient whose enlarged clitoris now extended below her vulva, and it chafed and rubbed painfully in her jeans. I advised her to get the kind of compression undergarments worn by biological men who dress to pass as female. At the end of the call I thought to myself, “Wow, we hurt this kid.”

There are rare conditions in which babies are born with atypical genitalia—cases that call for sophisticated care and compassion. But clinics like the one where I worked are creating a whole cohort of kids with atypical genitals—and most of these teens haven’t even had sex yet. They had no idea who they were going to be as adults. Yet all it took for them to permanently transform themselves was one or two short conversations with a therapist.'

"Bicalutamide is a medication used to treat metastatic prostate cancer, and one of its side effects is that it feminizes the bodies of men who take it, including the appearance of breasts. The center prescribed this cancer drug as a puberty blocker and feminizing agent for boys. As with most cancer drugs, bicalutamide has a long list of side effects, and this patient experienced one of them: liver toxicity. He was sent to another unit of the hospital for evaluation and immediately taken off the drug. Afterward, his mother sent an electronic message to the Transgender Center saying that we were lucky her family was not the type to sue."

"How little patients understood what they were getting into was illustrated by a call we received at the center in 2020 from a 17-year-old biological female patient who was on testosterone. She said she was bleeding from the vagina. In less than an hour she had soaked through an extra heavy pad, her jeans, and a towel she had wrapped around her waist. The nurse at the center told her to go to the emergency room right away.
We found out later this girl had had intercourse, and because testosterone thins the vaginal tissues, her vaginal canal had ripped open. She had to be sedated and given surgery to repair the damage. She wasn’t the only vaginal laceration case we heard about."

The medical Dr's who did this should all be struck off. It is not ok that a political ideology is able to override medical ethics. Wtaf is going on? Any Dr, therapist, endocrinologist who prescribed dangerous not necessary drugs such as puberty blockers or cross sex hormones shouldn't be practicing. Whoever at nice wrote guidelines that say this is ok needs consequences. The medical evidence is clearly experimental and has never been appropriate for teenagers or women. If middle aged men want to use plastic surgery to transition or get breasts etc fine. Leave the children and young people alone!
Women aren't even allowed to get sterilised unless they have multiple children as they may change their minds, get a new husband etc but teenage girls can destroy their vaginas permanently? Wtf!
There should be a judicial review and criminal charges.