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So that's why Susie Green left

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DistantVworp · 02/12/2022 13:27

Charity commission launches formal inquiry into Mermaids:
twitter.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1598666394610147329?s=20&t=x_Supvwk6lHkKBR7a-ESSw

About bloody time!

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TheBiologyStupid · 10/12/2022 11:21

Women's rights groups haven't changed their political positions. They've stood stock still...

That puts me in mind of Colin Wright's cartoon: images.wsj.net/im-535576/social

HugHeart · 10/12/2022 12:22

TheBiologyStupid · 10/12/2022 11:21

Women's rights groups haven't changed their political positions. They've stood stock still...

That puts me in mind of Colin Wright's cartoon: images.wsj.net/im-535576/social

That cartoon made me howl with laughter!

It's exactly how I feel.

TheBiologyStupid · 10/12/2022 12:28

Colin Wright is a very sound guy: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4692785-the-new-evolution-deniers-in-retrospect-by-colin-wright

xxyzz · 12/12/2022 17:54

HugHeart · 10/12/2022 12:22

That cartoon made me howl with laughter!

It's exactly how I feel.

Don't think it's quite accurate for me. Particularly as I don't think that the supposedly 'progressive', 'left-wing' positions that some claiming to be on the left are now pushing for are in fact remotely left-wing at all. And I doubt that many of those pushing those views most strongly now would have been your 'average' left-winger a decade ago either; I think many of them were (are) far left/right extremists - MRAs, misogynists and racists.

I'll note that, in my comments below, I approach this (like Hadley Freeman in her recent articles about the Guardian), as a left-wing Jewish woman, i.e. someone who has seen the left's abandonment of both its previous anti-racism/anti-misogyny stance as doubly painful.

Going back to the diagram - images.wsj.net/im-535576/social - rather than a straight line, which implies that far left and far right are as opposite as it's possible to be (definitely not the case!), I'd present it instead using the horseshoe or circle model - where both the moderate conservative on the right of the point marked 'centre' and me and the other left-winger to the left of it, would all have been, until very recently, approximately the same (moderate) distance from the centre. Meanwhile, at the opposite extreme (literally), as far as you can get from the centre, there were always pockets of grimy Militants, Trots, Fascists, National Front etc - but in sufficiently small numbers in the UK in my lifetime and sufficiently powerless, that they could be ignored.

Unfortunately, events since 2015 (Corbyn) and 2016 (Brexit) have propelled extremists on both sides much closer to the fringes of power. And in Corbyn's case, nearly into power. So I'm not sure how much your average left-winger has actually completely changed their values in the last decade? But a toxic combination of extremist entryists, extensive and systematic use of violent threats and physical attacks, constant shouted insistence on No Debate, It Was A Scam, failed and biased moderation in the public square, eg Twitter etc, and media capture have made it almost impossible for people on the left to find and connect with other 'normal' people on the left, or discuss the issues. In this, we owe MN a huge debt, for providing one of the very few public spaces where ordinary women can discuss, challenge, find out, about the implications of these new supposedly 'progressive' approaches - particularly on women's rights.

Labour now has a huge amount to do to remind itself of what being left-wing actually means. They're slowly getting there on antisemitism (hopefully); still a long way to go - one area where it was clear that there was zero difference between the far right and far left (as evidenced by David Duke of the KKK fangirling for Corbyn).

But Labour still has a very long way to go, to remember that the rights of the female half of the population matter too, and that women are actually people. With votes. As well as inalienable human rights. At some point - will the catalyst be the undoing of Mermaids? - they will have to face up and come clean on their role in encouraging these attacks on women's and children's rights and safety. Sadly, they have a precedent - let's not forget Labour a generation ago having to shamefacedly walk back their involvement in PIE.

BatCheeseIsFine · 13/12/2022 07:45

Agree it should be a horseshoe line so that the far lefty is actually closer to the right winger. But I guess the right winger in this scenario isn’t an extremist, just right wing in the same way the “me” figure is left wing, within civilised political debate and open to questioning and discussion. Whereas the satire is that the lefty has gone right out on a limb and won’t listen to anyone.

Thingybob · 09/02/2023 14:53

For anyone wondering whats next for Susie

www.gendergp.com/susie-green-joins-the-gendergp-team/

rogdmum · 09/02/2023 14:55

So coming in as a project manager/fund raiser. That’s a bit of a step down for our Susie

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 09/02/2023 14:57

Raising funds so that teens can get prescription steroids without their parents permission?

Give it a year or two and we’ll be able to get some lawfare out of this.

ResisterRex · 09/02/2023 14:57

More grifting. I'm shocked I tell you, shocked.

EndlessTea · 09/02/2023 15:28

Glad she’s found a job, sad it is raising funds to poison and permanently deform as many healthy children as she can with off-label drugs.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 09/02/2023 15:28

Give it a year or two and we’ll be able to get some lawfare out of this.

No chance. GenderGP are not based in the UK. It's 100% Wild West.

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 09/02/2023 15:29

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 09/02/2023 15:28

Give it a year or two and we’ll be able to get some lawfare out of this.

No chance. GenderGP are not based in the UK. It's 100% Wild West.

But Susie is.

And their ‘employees’ in the UK are self employed.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 09/02/2023 15:31

And I'm still trying to figure out which one of them thinks they're giving the other one credibility.

Boiledbeetle · 09/02/2023 15:36

So she's had to rely on a mate to give her job. This should be interesting. The idea of the fund seems abhorrent given what they are raising money for.

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 09/02/2023 15:42

Sort of interested go see how this announcement pans out, what with Green having been castigated as not woke enough in the EDI investigation.

Will there be howls of rage and more leaks from the Mermaids camp?

ResisterRex · 09/02/2023 15:48

Not much more than a month!

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 09/02/2023 15:51

Couple of screenshots of Rex’s link, just in case it gets a little rewrite from the newest staff member…

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So that's why Susie Green left
tortoiseshellpeppershoes · 09/02/2023 15:55

Ah, so joining an organisation not considered fit to be licensed in the U.K. (and having repeatedly been the focus of medical malpractice claims) — that’s just the ticket to reassure us that (a) Susie Green is a very legit and above board voice of reason on this issue, and that (b) Mermaids has definitely not been in cahoots with said unlicensed focus-of-medical-malpractice-claims clinic in their policy formulations in recent years, oh no definitely not!

ResisterRex · 09/02/2023 15:56

I see someone archived it on 3 Dec 2022 in case it suffers a mishap

Toseland · 09/02/2023 16:07

GenderGP would like you to think they are not in the UK, but I thought they turned up in Aberystwyth?

FannyCann · 09/02/2023 16:09

So genderGP are starting a crowdfunder, with added fund raising help from SG to raise money to hand out "free" "trans healthcare" meaning the money raised will pay genderGP their fees plus the costs of drugs etc.

So a crowdfunder to pay themselves whatever their fees might be.

I can't put my finger on it but I think there's a word for this sort of arrangement.

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 09/02/2023 16:09

Toseland · 09/02/2023 16:07

GenderGP would like you to think they are not in the UK, but I thought they turned up in Aberystwyth?

That’s where the Webberlys live, but the company is now a complicated mess of shell companies and the doctors who issue prescriptions are in Egypt and Romania (they might have some new ones since I last checked)

ShireWifeofNigelFarage · 09/02/2023 16:10

FannyCann · 09/02/2023 16:09

So genderGP are starting a crowdfunder, with added fund raising help from SG to raise money to hand out "free" "trans healthcare" meaning the money raised will pay genderGP their fees plus the costs of drugs etc.

So a crowdfunder to pay themselves whatever their fees might be.

I can't put my finger on it but I think there's a word for this sort of arrangement.

There is and it’s more or less the same business model as the Good Law Project.

FannyCann · 09/02/2023 16:11

Forgot screenshot

So that's why Susie Green left