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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

KJK assaulted at Hyde Park SFW meeting

148 replies

Imnobody4 · 28/11/2022 19:15

Could have added this to several threads, however couldn't decide which.

A man approached KJK and threw liquid in her face - turned out to be water but obviously could also have been acid, urine etc. It was captured on film (can't find the video at the moment.)

This is an actual crime of common assault. Common assault: the maximum sentence is six months' custody. if the assault is against an emergency worker, the maximum sentence is one year's custody. if the assault is racially or religiously aggravated, the maximum sentence is two years' custody.

He has been given a Community Order and banned from going into Hyde Park. Given that this was done in the context of a mob holding up threatening signs and the purpose was obviously to intimidate and frighten women holding a peaceful meeting this seems pretty lenient to me. So much for the VAWG strategy

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Likelife · 01/12/2022 13:11

Helleofabore · 01/12/2022 13:03

You have pixelated it. I cannot see why suicide is not the implication. Could you please explain why suicide is not the implication.

And as I have said numerous times already. It is fucked up to be sending these messages.

Pepe has used a knife to mutilate the person's genitalia and is in the process of writing "you will never be a woman" on their stomach with their own blood from the wound.

Helleofabore · 01/12/2022 13:12

Likelife · 01/12/2022 13:11

Pepe has used a knife to mutilate the person's genitalia and is in the process of writing "you will never be a woman" on their stomach with their own blood from the wound.

That is horrific. Thank you for pixelating it.

And as I said, Willoughby should refer it to the police.

MargaritaPie · 01/12/2022 13:15

"But you DO dismiss violent acts against women"

ok I agree it's wrong to squirt water or throw a cream pie at someone (an incident at a fairly recent GC event I believe), it's anti-social and assault. But when I think of violence against women water and cream pies aren't really the sort of things that come to mind. Cream pies and water-squirting make me think of comedy sitcoms and circuses.

sanluca · 01/12/2022 13:23

MargaritaPie · 01/12/2022 13:15

"But you DO dismiss violent acts against women"

ok I agree it's wrong to squirt water or throw a cream pie at someone (an incident at a fairly recent GC event I believe), it's anti-social and assault. But when I think of violence against women water and cream pies aren't really the sort of things that come to mind. Cream pies and water-squirting make me think of comedy sitcoms and circuses.

That is still a dismissal, Marg. Worse, you compare violence towards women to a comedy act. All laughable in your book. If I was a teacher, I would wrote over your response "must try harder"

Helleofabore · 01/12/2022 13:31

MargaritaPie · 01/12/2022 13:15

"But you DO dismiss violent acts against women"

ok I agree it's wrong to squirt water or throw a cream pie at someone (an incident at a fairly recent GC event I believe), it's anti-social and assault. But when I think of violence against women water and cream pies aren't really the sort of things that come to mind. Cream pies and water-squirting make me think of comedy sitcoms and circuses.

Nope.

Violent acts against women in the situations they are being perpetrated are not anything remotely like comedy acts.

Your repeated dismissals are vile. And every one can see it.

The callousness and and hatred.

stripped bare. For all to see.

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 01/12/2022 13:44

That's just dreadful likelife

Hopefully India has reported it to the police and twitter

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 01/12/2022 13:46

You've got no idea what jkr would do marg

And based on your posts and attitude on mumsnet I think you are probably an appalling judge of character

SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 01/12/2022 14:19

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 01/12/2022 10:10

If you and Marg can't get on board with it being said to/about IW then surely you must decry it when it is said to a gender critical women, by a transwoman, a TRA etc etc.
I have literally just said I can't get on board with it being said to a gender critical woman either, that throwing stuff is assault pure and simple, in the comment you've just quoted!
I've also always said that threats are never acceptable, never OK, regardless of who they're sent to.
So why say me and Marg?!
I think it's you who needs to take a step back, and reread what I wrote.
Throwing stuff, including water - assault.
Threats - never OK.
I don't think I can get any clearer than that?!

@RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella I took your advice and took a step aback and another read. I can see I did misread the post, my apologies.

Helleofabore · 01/12/2022 14:32

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 01/12/2022 13:46

You've got no idea what jkr would do marg

And based on your posts and attitude on mumsnet I think you are probably an appalling judge of character

There are some fucked up values in plain sight.

What is very weird, is that this is poster who seems to think they have some kind of superior morality compared to posters on this board.

MrsTerryPratchett · 01/12/2022 14:44

It doesn't matter to Marg whether what they say is sheer bullshit, the aim has been achieved. Derail a discussion about women being assaulted for free speech into a discussion about someone else, unrelated, being threatened by someone who is not GC, female or anything to do with this.

Well played Marg it's the Donald Trump school of LOOK over here, squirrels.

Why the adults can't just talk amongst themselves without interference, I don't know.

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Ofcourseshecan · 01/12/2022 15:21

I thought when Maria Maclachlan was attacked in Hyde Park, 2017, and just one attacker was convicted of assault and fined £130 -- this is a gift to men who enjoy attacking women.

And again today, no real penalty.

Boiledbeetle · 01/12/2022 15:29

Likelife · 01/12/2022 13:11

Pepe has used a knife to mutilate the person's genitalia and is in the process of writing "you will never be a woman" on their stomach with their own blood from the wound.

Holy fuck who are these people who 1) create that thankfully pixelated image and 2) think it's OK to send that sort of shit to anyone, for any reason.

I think the one thing we can all agree on on here regardless of which side of the debate we fall on that it is categorically not acceptable to be sending ANYONE shit like that.

The same can be said for all threats of acts of violence. Seriously Twitter is the cesspool of humanity at times.

GrinitchSpinach · 01/12/2022 15:35

MargaritaPie · 01/12/2022 13:15

"But you DO dismiss violent acts against women"

ok I agree it's wrong to squirt water or throw a cream pie at someone (an incident at a fairly recent GC event I believe), it's anti-social and assault. But when I think of violence against women water and cream pies aren't really the sort of things that come to mind. Cream pies and water-squirting make me think of comedy sitcoms and circuses.

I believe it was K Yang, one of the organizers of the NYC event and one of the women assaulted there, who said this about the pie attacks in Portland (I am paraphrasing because can't find her exact quote right now):

A fist to the face is still a fist to the face, even when hidden behind a pie.

Male violence against women is not at all funny, Pie.

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 01/12/2022 22:36

SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 01/12/2022 14:19

@RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella I took your advice and took a step aback and another read. I can see I did misread the post, my apologies.

No worries, easily done sometimes 🙂

NoFlowersForEmily · 01/12/2022 22:38

You think women being assaulted is funny and entertaining?
You think of comedy and circuses when men are throwing things in women's faces in public in broad daylight, just for showing up and talking about the rights we have by law and want to keep?
That is fucked up.
Get help, seriously.

NoFlowersForEmily · 01/12/2022 22:42

Even if the men's intention was just to be funny or entertaining, the women being assaulted didn't feel that way.
"haha chill out love it's all a bit of a laugh".
Heard it all before, used by pricks the world over to minimise their prickish behaviour, usually after they have been called out.
But that wasn't the intention at any rate, the intention is to terrorise us into shutting up.
We won't.
And we'll keep calling you out.
Assaulting women in the street is never funny and only a sick person would think it is.

catandcoffee · 01/12/2022 23:03

MargaritaPie · 29/11/2022 12:27

Water? Gosh.

Meanwhile trans news reader India Willoughby has just received a threat to kill herself on Social Media.

Is that the lovely India who insulted a black Woman on twitter a few days ago.
What a charming person India is....said no one ever.

KatMcBundleFace · 01/12/2022 23:07

I utterly condemn threats of violence towards anyone.

I would like trans activists to do the same.

When I was on twitter a TRA said I should be raped with a cactus for saying I personally didn't know any adults who wore children's hair clips.

Twitter is a pit and Willoughby should go to the police. Its very worrying that they didn't take the assault on KJ more seriously.

Helleofabore · 02/12/2022 04:51

Helleofabore · 30/11/2022 12:19

Just adding to this, I expect if we haven't had this conversation directly, you have been on the exact same threads as pie and understood the difference.

How odd you cannot recognise your own dehumanisation of a group of people on this board?

Are there other concepts you might not recognise that well if you cannot recognise dehumanisation using language?

How about casual racism? Comfy recognising that?

Be honest @RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella

Do you finally see the connection?

Do you understand that the dehumanising effect of using language like ‘the GCs/transes’ or dropping the ‘the’ to describe a group means violence, when it happens to them, is easier to dismiss?

I am pretty certain that we have explained it to you before. Maybe you felt at the time, that we were lying, or exaggerating, or claiming victimhood.

Or maybe you just don’t want to see it. I explained it to Marg at least a month ago, and probably have explained it to Marg more than once.

Is the fact that you don’t see it a sign of spending so much time on sites using extremist and absolutist language to describe feminists and others who disagree with the group’s demands?

And if you are honest, if you cannot see dehumanising language, what else are you not picking up? Racism? Misogyny?

It is obviously up to you. But using even mildly dehumanising language has the direct effects of distancing yourself and not caring what happens to those being dehumanised.

Helleofabore · 02/12/2022 05:28

But using even mildly dehumanising language has the direct effects of distancing yourself and not caring what happens to those being dehumanised.

Sorry that should be.

But using even mildly dehumanising language is more likely to have the direct effects of distancing yourself and not caring what happens to those being dehumanised.

ApocalipstickNow · 02/12/2022 06:16

When you’re a clown, everything look like a circus.

TheBiologyStupid · 02/12/2022 10:57

😂

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