KJK assaulted at Hyde Park SFW meeting

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Could have added this to several threads, however couldn't decide which.

A man approached KJK and threw liquid in her face - turned out to be water but obviously could also have been acid, urine etc. It was captured on film (can't find the video at the moment.)

This is an actual crime of common assault. Common assault: the maximum sentence is six months' custody. if the assault is against an emergency worker, the maximum sentence is one year's custody. if the assault is racially or religiously aggravated, the maximum sentence is two years' custody.

He has been given a Community Order and banned from going into Hyde Park. Given that this was done in the context of a mob holding up threatening signs and the purpose was obviously to intimidate and frighten women holding a peaceful meeting this seems pretty lenient to me. So much for the VAWG strategy

reduxx.info/uk-women-critical-of-gender-ideology-heckled-assaulted-at-free-speech-event-in-london/

KJKs account starts 3 min in.

So hold on @MargaritaPie just so I get this right. Words on a screen are traumatic, horrible literal violence if done to a male who identifies as trans, but actual assault on a woman is ok? Am I understanding you correctly?
if words on a screen are so evil, why did you condone the death threats and bomb threats sent to JKR? Is it because she’s a woman and not a male who identifies as trans?

Is it because she’s a woman and not a male

I think you've put your finger right on it, right there!

Please stop using dehumanising language for people you disagree with.
That's what you call yourselves though?!
GC / gender critical.
So how on earth is that dehumanising?
Are you dehumanising yourselves when you do it?
How are people supposed to refer to people with your viewpoint then?
It wasn't a slur at anyone.

Why, thank you 😁
Any particular reason why it's interesting?
From one of my favourite shows by the way

Not as a noun. 'A GC woman' is different to 'a GC'. It's obvious if you try it with other words and phrases.

It is a slur when you use it in the way you have.

You neatly removed the rest of the post in your whatabout attempt.

As the rest of the post mentioned, It would be, and should be, deleted when people use ‘transes’ or ‘the transes’. That framing removes the human aspect from the description and as mrsterryp pointed out makes it a noun not an adjective.

I notice you are quite capable in recognizing language usage and its meaning. You have just tried to absolve India Willoughby of their racism because you claim the lack of space is transphobic.

How odd you cannot recognise your own dehumanisation of a group of people on this board?

I think the banning is the most punishment. He cannot show his face at another rally (yes I know lots of them wear masks).

One by one they can be banned from speaker's corner.

Thanks. This is very helpful.
I've for long been worried about the gradual erasure of what it is to be fundamentally woman. I believe women can be women, and trans women can be seen as trans women. And we certainly still need our exclusive identity and spaces as women because transitioning is a spectrum, meaning different 'males' at any point can begin identifying as a trans woman without having the biological features and lived experiences of cis women.
These are my thoughts that I don't express often as society just wants to be woke and politically correct. Sad.

So @mindwanderer what is a ‘cis’ woman? To believe in ‘cis’ you must believe TWAW. Why do you believe women should be seen as a subset of women? How does this benefit women?

What Tinsel said.

Meanwhile trans news reader India Willoughby

When was the last time Willoughby read the news? Disingenuous.

Just adding to this, I expect if we haven't had this conversation directly, you have been on the exact same threads as pie and understood the difference.

How odd you cannot recognise your own dehumanisation of a group of people on this board?

Are there other concepts you might not recognise that well if you cannot recognise dehumanisation using language?

How about casual racism? Comfy recognising that?

I use 'cis' loosely for the lack of a better term, but in essence I mean a natural female.

What better term than women is needed? Males with a trans identity are not any kind of woman. Only an adult human female is a woman.

The word you are after is woman. Just woman. No more no less.

WOMAN

Absolutely!

Women don't need a prefix, Cis is like needing a word for someone who doesn't collect stamps.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4666157-why-cis-is-unnecessary

KProtein on Twitter addressed 'cis' well:

I was there and I fully support her fight. However, regardless of anyone's feelings about this particular issue, the assault was at the very low end. So something like a community order, or a number of community service hours was the appropriate sentence. There's no need to throw the book at a first-timer for something that was essentially a very mild form of common assault.

Does anyone know when the next rally is going to be? I tried talking (sense) to the 'allies' and was mostly ignored, but I did feel I was getting through to one of them. She wasn't trans herself and was there just as an ally, and my arguments about how this endangers and effects woman were getting through.

Wow, I hope to goodness that KJK stays safe. So many tra-loons

And for those at the back in the cheap seats

Gets out megaphone

WOMAN

the assault was at the very low end.

FFS@ChocoStripe assault is assault. There is no low end.

I received one yesterday.

I've also been assaulted.

They are not comparable.

Given the attacks appear to be escalating in scale, I don't think a community order is sufficient as a deterrent, sorry.

The next time, could be acid. Why do we have to wait until they do that, to throw the book at them? Assault is assault.

Justifying violence in any degree as a legitimate response to speech (at least, speech which is not a clear and immediate call to violence, such as “Imma fuck you up! These hands don’t discriminate!” is abhorrent.

Indeed. The signs are now getting so ridiculous it's made me wonder whether the Black Pampers have been infiltrated by Terfs.