KJK assaulted at Hyde Park SFW meeting

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Could have added this to several threads, however couldn't decide which.

A man approached KJK and threw liquid in her face - turned out to be water but obviously could also have been acid, urine etc. It was captured on film (can't find the video at the moment.)

This is an actual crime of common assault. Common assault: the maximum sentence is six months' custody. if the assault is against an emergency worker, the maximum sentence is one year's custody. if the assault is racially or religiously aggravated, the maximum sentence is two years' custody.

He has been given a Community Order and banned from going into Hyde Park. Given that this was done in the context of a mob holding up threatening signs and the purpose was obviously to intimidate and frighten women holding a peaceful meeting this seems pretty lenient to me. So much for the VAWG strategy

reduxx.info/uk-women-critical-of-gender-ideology-heckled-assaulted-at-free-speech-event-in-london/

KJKs account starts 3 min in.

Is it not the court that's given the community order?

So, she has pressed charges, the police have investigated and brought a prosecution and a community order was the punishment given by the court.

She can't press the same charges again.

I'm not sure 'pressing charges' is a concept that has any legal meaning in the jurisdiction of England & Wales.

As far as I'm aware, a victim doesn't have a whole lot of rights tbh if the police and/or CPS are being crap, but the rights we do have are outlined here
www.gov.uk/your-rights-after-crime
and include the right to report a crime and receive a crime reference number & contact details of the officer dealing with the case. (Hollow laughs all round, I'm sure.)

The victim does have the right the bring a civil prosecution, and this is where a lot of victims in high profile cases have sought and found justice. If KJK and the other woman are using 'pressing charging' synonymously with 'bringing a civil prosecution' then fair enough. These would be very strong cases.

No idea if it's different in Scotland or Northern Ireland?

No I don't think so Felix? The event only just happened.

So no public order offense was committed, despite throwing liquid in a woman's face or showing banners accusing them of being child abusers?
Its all very one sided, isn't it.

I hope she does whatever she can to a) punish the person, and b) send a message that throwing liquid in women's faces isn't actually on. ffs.

i'd absolutely contribute to a crowd funder. In a heartbeat.

The offence of throwing water into her face is common assault. You can't have a public order offence as well, as common assault is the more appropriate offence to go with

If banners are being displayed that go against a public order offence - then of course that can be investigated also - but it would be a separate offence to the common assault.

But the other thread seems to suggest that the police should't be wasting their time on 'hurty words' - so it depends what the banner was saying

I would suggest if a public order offence has been alleged, it should at least be investigated.

The police can't give out community orders - this must have come from the court - unless it has gone through an out of court disposal or some sort. but this would not be a community order

Felix125
You really should read links and do some research before pontificating.
Basically I think this is semantics and it is Community Resolution order as it obviously hasn't gone to court. I doubt they have done this by the book as KJK doesn't seem to have been consulted.

Community Resolutions provide an opportunity for the police to deal with appropriate low level offences and offenders without recourse to formal criminal justice sanctions. This could include a simple apology, an offer of compensation or a promise to clear up any graffiti or criminal damage.

Community Resolutions offer victims an informal, flexible response to the matter they have reported. They empower victims by allowing them to have a say in how their matter is dealt with.

At the same time, they offer offenders a ‘second chance’ - an opportunity to make amends for their mistakes without suffering the consequences of a criminal conviction which can dramatically alter future life chances. They provide an opportunity for offenders to better understand the impact they have had on their victims, and to make amends for the harm they have caused.

Community Resolutions also allow officers the opportunity to deal with matters in the quickest, simplest fashion. In doing so, they help to ensure that the officers, who serve the public, are able to do more with their time.

However, the need for efficiency should never outweigh the overriding goals of protecting and serving our communities.

Water? Gosh.

Meanwhile trans news reader India Willoughby has just received a threat to kill herself on Social Media.

Please never change, Marg.

Too much character development in a sitcom can destroy the magic.

But the other thread seems to suggest that the police should't be wasting their time on 'hurty words' - so it depends what the banner was saying

'Arm trans people' is a threat, yes?

Oh Marge, there you go again 🙄

Yes.
Although just like a while back on here "gender criticals" saying men should arm themselves and guard the women's toilets and that was deemed fine by most on here?
Or is it a case of "it's alright if it's us but not you?"
As .... That's not ok. Neither of the scenarios are OK in the slightest.

Willoughby has received a verified threat? That is abhorrent and I would hope that person is brought to justice.

No one should be receiving any threats and I hope people getting those receive all the support they need.

Oh what a surprise....

Still dismissing acts where people throw or spray things at women as not being acts of violence I see.

Shall we keep a list of acts that Marg doesn't recognise as acts of violence against people they disagree with?

Unknown objects being thrown - not a problem according to Marg
Unknown substance being sprayed - no issue at all according to Marg

I am quite sure Marg that all those victims of acid burns will be nodding along with your callous hatred of people who disagree with you in support. Because, I am very sure that that they knew in that instance that it was acid and not any other substance leaving the container.

Do you ever think before you type?

This really is another example of callous hatred.

Mind you, if IW has been given a threat to kill 'herself', IW doesn't have to actually do it, does IW?

I second that. No person should be threatened or made to feel unsafe - woman, trans woman or anyone else. I hope that India forwards the threat on to the police or appropriate authority and it is dealt with properly.

Being pro-women's rights does not make me anti-trans or bear any ill-will towards trans people. We just need to draw the boundaries where it does the most good for the most people.

No they weren't.

Wow and right underneath this thread in the list is a screenshot of India Willoughby calling a black woman a "blackwoman"???? and a "nasty bi*"

So IW can do one and after the authorities deal appropriately with the person sending her threats, they can deal with her.

"...received a threat to kill herself" - what, India has threatened to kill Indiaself? So suicide? That's tough, how awful 😢

Back to KJK she is brave AF and she keeps going and I admire her so much. I wish her all the very best. That was a disgusting and frightening thing to do to her just for speaking and I hope that legal justice is quickly served on the perp. Male VAWG has no place in a decent society.

No they weren't.
Oh, we're playing that game, are we.
Ok.

Let's see your evidence then.

Jaysus, you'd be saying that if a prominent "GC" got one, would you?
As in If she did get one, she doesn't have to actually do it, does she?! 😳
Aye, ok.
Hypocrisy/double standards off the scale on here sometimes.

The same IW who supports abusive tweets toward JKR? Doesn't understand that all threats and abuse are wrong, not just the ones against IW.

True colours will always out. This is from an article just two years ago:

India Willoughby left This Morning viewers in shock when she appeared on the chat show to discuss the topic of migrants crossing the English Channel today.

When asked her opinion on the situation, India exclaimed, "Thank God for Nigel Farage! I’ll say it. The fact the French are escorting them over is awful. We’ve got Brexit and we’re leaving the EU."

Sharing her thoughts on what should be done in light of the growing numbers, "We should take control. I think it’s £100million we’ve spent on this problem. I’d go down the Trump route.

"Why not have a nice spikey barbed wire fence somewhere on the channel? Instead of using the English channel, they should use the legal channel.

https://www.womanandhome.com/life/news-entertainment/india-willoughby-this-morning-migrants-channel-comments-371025/

Not really, ridiculing crappy grammar because it changes the meaning. Didn't think that needed explaining.

Anyway......