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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Change of CEO at mermaids…

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backaftera2yearbreak · 25/11/2022 17:52

mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/susie-green-leaves-mermaids/

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stealtheatingtunnocks · 25/11/2022 23:40

I hope that Jackie and Jazz Jennings live long and happy lives completely ifnorant about what their mothers did to them.

Datun · 25/11/2022 23:41

I wonder if Jackie is detransitioning.

LaughingPriest · 25/11/2022 23:43

I'm not optimistic that this is any realisation or turning point (I hope I'm wrong...)

I wonder if they'll get a cuddly Nancy Kelley type to say all the homophobic things, or someone more political and 'with it' than Susie. Likely an outspoken trans person.

RedToothBrush · 25/11/2022 23:43

Janice Turner did a twitter thread yesterday criticising the Guardian and Amelia Gentleman for FINALLY asking the right questions about the sudden rise of trans identifying teenage girls and doing an article about it.

She made the point that she started doing this 5 years ago and women like Hadley were effectively bullied out of the Guardian.

This week the Guardian also ran an interview with Susie Green defending Mermaids. A decision which begs a few questions. We're the Guardian caught massively off guard, did Susie know the writing was on the wall and wanted to get her defence in first or did the Guardian see the writing on the wall finally?

And Susie Green has now left Mermaids.

In this above mentioned twitter thread from Janice are the following comments about Amelia Gentlemen:

Pete Marshall at petemarshall
She seems to accept uncritically that “gender “ dysphoria exists. In reality body dysphoria is a common problem in adolescents particularly girls. It’s social contagion that this now manifests as gender rather than other forms of self harm. AGP men have deliberately created this

Adhip at adhip
Important point.

The language games played around this topic are mind-bending. This is all about sex, sexism, and in almost all the cases of those older males, a paraphilic obsession.

Truth Hertz at djbraymond
It’s no coincidence that most trans identified females are young girls and most trans identified males are older men…

I am highlighting them in the context of a charity which has promoted the transitioning of children (a substantial amount who are girls), there is this pattern of young girls and middle aged men being the two key demographics and the chronic safeguarding fails (including the padeo friend and the willy wonder guy) at Mermaids which have now led to the departure of their safeguarding lead.

This become an unavoidable inconvenient problem for Mermaids.

I think we will start to see more conversations about this dynamic appearing.

Ultimately Mermaids have an existential problem in the wake of the Cass Review, its own safeguarding car crashes, growing evidence and concerns about sport, detransitioning legal cases starting and people starting to spot the social contagion problem.

This also leaves Stonewall and all its rainbow buddies in an ever increasing pickle.

What happens to Mermaids definitely has implications elsewhere.

So is this a damage limitation exercise and if it is who benefits exactly? Or is it an admission of Mermaids completely unravelling?

Its actually difficult to tell at this stage.

Susie Green clearly isn't in this camp but she certainly falls foul of the Cass review observation about homophobic parents. And thats problematic too in the context of the law on homosexuality being same sex not same gender. And that in turn is problematic in the context of the Mermaids litigation against the LGB Alliance.

So Mermaids - and in particular Susie Green - are stuck in the middle of these two forces developing. Could Susie stay? She should never have got the job as someone who freely admitted to the press she bypassed ethics and safeguarding in the uk.

It will be very intriguing to see how the next couple of weeks play out.

How fast will pronouns start to get dropped by companies who suddenly realise that promoting this stuff, maybe isn't as progressive as they thought...

RedToothBrush · 25/11/2022 23:46

lifeturnsonadime · 25/11/2022 23:33

And i know that Green's child is an adult now but many many vulnerable children will be feeling a lot of pain. T'hey need some very very careful handling. lots of people have lied to them. I just feel so desperately sorry for them .

I have skin in this.

My sibling was an adult.

I don't see happy endings as the rule in the long run.

Igmum · 25/11/2022 23:50

Oh my. Here's hoping the whole house of cards falls down

lifeturnsonadime · 25/11/2022 23:56

RedToothBrush · 25/11/2022 23:46

I have skin in this.

My sibling was an adult.

I don't see happy endings as the rule in the long run.

I get that , and agree.

i just hope the children caught up with this now, and their families are treated with kindness.

KatMcBundleFace · 26/11/2022 00:04

lifeturnsonadime · 25/11/2022 23:56

I get that , and agree.

i just hope the children caught up with this now, and their families are treated with kindness.

"Kindness" aka lying got us into this mess.

I know I'm harsh, but I am so so angry that homophobic ever got near any sort of power. I'm so sorry for every family lied to, and sorry for all the abuse we've put up with for pointing out this evil.

oneaday · 26/11/2022 00:16

Since the lottery put their grant payments on hold they may well not have enough in the bank for the payroll.

RhannionKPSS · 26/11/2022 00:23

I bet the next CEO will be a trans woman, possibly an ex army officer...

RedToothBrush · 26/11/2022 00:24

lifeturnsonadime · 25/11/2022 23:56

I get that , and agree.

i just hope the children caught up with this now, and their families are treated with kindness.

I hope the parents are treated as they should be.

There are three separate groups here:

Parents who said no and raised hell at every possible stage to safeguard their child.

Parents who blindly accepted everything they were told and failed to engage their brains and safeguard their child.

Parents who actively cheered or actually led the chain of events and didn't care to safeguard their child.

Now I'm the child of one of these sets of parents and it's not the first.

There is an active choice, including the passive just go along with it option.

I only have time and sympathy for one group mentioned above, and I hope parents are treated in the manner they deserve tbh. Within the remit of the law and using the law where appropriate.

I'm sorry but parents do have a responsibility to ensure their child isn't harmed. Staying quiet in that scenario is not the right decision.

RhannionKPSS · 26/11/2022 00:28

Stonewall next to crumble we hope.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/11/2022 00:32

I hope the parents are treated as they should be.

Exactly.
Sorry it's something you understand all too well, RedToothBrush. Flowers

RedToothBrush · 26/11/2022 00:33

"Kindness" got kids unnecessary surgery and life changing hormone treatment which rendered them infertile and facing lifelong medical problems.

Parents were complicit in many many cases.

This needs to be not sanitised. Parents have duty of care responsibilities.

xxyzz · 26/11/2022 00:40

Right. The Guardian knows what's coming. This article and Amelia Gentleman's article a couple of days ago. It's clearly preparing for a massive reverse ferret.

My money's on the Charity Commission being about to launch a statutory inquiry into Mermaids, on safeguarding grounds - the Guardian article said statutory inquiries were relatively rare, with only 45 last year.

If the NHS are finally definitely banning staff from linking to them as well, it seems pretty likely that the news is out about safeguarding concerns.

Criminal charges for serious safeguarding failures are looking increasing likely.

And/or it could be the LGBA judgement being imminent - and damning for Mermaids.

Either way, great to hear SG is gone - can't wait to hear Emma Watson's and Jameela Jamil's continued words of support for her. Because of course they'd never drop her like hot coals the millisecond it became apparent the cause was no longer fashionable, would they?

xxyzz · 26/11/2022 00:41

Seriously fantastic news though.

Clymene · 26/11/2022 01:01

Ding dong the witch is dead

IcakethereforeIam · 26/11/2022 01:19

Green goes, she's rushed off-oh🎶

NotBadConsidering · 26/11/2022 01:20

https://twitter.com/transhomophobes/status/1596221730456219648?s=42&t=j-xbOA46Fd3sjYE0YixDrg

🤣🤣🤣

Change of CEO at mermaids…
WarriorN · 26/11/2022 01:47

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Change of CEO at mermaids…
ZandathePanda · 26/11/2022 01:50

Her LinkedIn profile still says she is CEO at Mermaids.

WallaceinAnderland · 26/11/2022 01:51

If anyone has not yet seen it, the drama 'Butterfly', which Susie Green said is inspired by her story, is still available on ITV Hub. I suspect it will be pulled soon. It is pretty shocking to watch how events unfolded now that the safeguarding questions have been raised.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/fb-6329525/WHO-JACKIE-GREEN-ONE-YOUNGEST-UNDERGO-SEX-AFFIRMATION-SURGERY.html

BreadInCaptivity · 26/11/2022 01:56

Clymene · 26/11/2022 01:01

Ding dong the witch is dead

The thing is SG didn't get where she was without a lot of "wizards" behind her.

I think it's dangerous to see her as some kind of lynchpin/head honcho.

Rather, I see SG as someone who was elevated beyond her capabilities because she had invested so much into an ideology she could not back out from. Her TED talk is worth a watch: https://www.ted.com/talks/susiegreenntransgenderaamotherss_story?language=en

A perfect scapegoat.

I'm not minimising her choices/input but simultaneously I feel it's important not to forget where her power was forged because otherwise there is a risk of celebrating taking head of a hydra only to see it regenerate in multiples.

As for the deletion of her child's Twitter feed, that's concerning.

I've watched an interview with JG that was concerning to say the least and the information SG has put out in the public domain about their transition is imho troubling to put it mildly.

There is no point speculating on why JG has deleted their tweets.

I am certain we will find out more information on this "resignation" in the coming weeks.

lifeturnsonadime · 26/11/2022 02:17

RedToothBrush · 26/11/2022 00:33

"Kindness" got kids unnecessary surgery and life changing hormone treatment which rendered them infertile and facing lifelong medical problems.

Parents were complicit in many many cases.

This needs to be not sanitised. Parents have duty of care responsibilities.

Yes I agree again. I’m talking about the children and their families who are not complicit. There are families I know who have been signposted to Mermaids with their vulnerable children by CAMHS. I don’t think they can be blamed for listening to professionals.

AutumnCrow · 26/11/2022 03:34

lifeturnsonadime · 26/11/2022 02:17

Yes I agree again. I’m talking about the children and their families who are not complicit. There are families I know who have been signposted to Mermaids with their vulnerable children by CAMHS. I don’t think they can be blamed for listening to professionals.

Mermaids and their materials have been in schools too. I presume parents thought they’d been vetted. Again, professionals promoted this and some are still doing so.

Parents have been put in a bloody awful position by schools around safeguarding and I would hope Cass says so very clearly.

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