Women and girls' sex-based rights

[StephanieSuperpowers]

Well, here we are...

I've just listened to the second Paddy O'Gorman interview with the young woman who had been in Limerick prison on the same wing as the transwomen prisoners, one of whom (in for offences against minors) clearly scared her a lot. She also felt the transwomen prisoners got extra benefits that the women prisoners don't - no idea whether that's true. But don't for a moment doubt her fear, not just of being with them in prison, but of becoming faces and names that they will still know after release.

paddyspodcast.ie/episodes-3/ - 2.2 and 2.4 are the two which treat the question - P O G says he will be keeping an eye on the subject. His long-term policy of only interviewing people directly involved, never spokespeople, advocates, social workers etc is useful.

Something no one has mentioned is the leniency that "gender problems" seem to get from some judges, our First Trans MP being a good example.

And now member of the Women and Equalities Select Committee

Hello new people. Nice to see you here 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🥃🥃

sinners can’t recant hard enough. Neither can womens officers

I really do feel that I must clarify my post about prisons. For some reason, several posters appear to think that I was suggesting that trans women should be in women's prisons (I think this must be because I said that they probably shouldn't be in men's prisons). I do not think that trans women should be in women's prisons. I have never thought that. The point I was clearly failing to make is that the current political climate makes it almost impossible for those who must make these decisions to put trans women in men's prisons.

Whether we like it or not, the media and campaign groups are not on our side and will make it almost impossible for politicians and judges to put trans women in men's prisons. At the moment, that's not something we can hide from.

Most MTF trans people are in male prisons in England and Wales at least.

I suspect that is pretty grim and scary for some of them. P O G's first interview brought up the way having mixed identifications on the same wing meant everyone ended up spending far more time locked in their cells for safety reasons - that must be equally true in men's prisons.

I'm looking forward to hearing him interviewing some transwomen, whether ex-prisoners or not. He's very good at letting people who are usually talked about rather than listened to have their voice heard.

Winterborne74

^Her statement reads as if she is being held hostage:
“The comments I made in the article contribute to a bio-essentialist, narrow-minded narrative of what being a woman is, including the prioritisation of women over minorities. I cannot apologise enough for the damage and hurt I have caused the trans community.”^

Dear fuck! It sounds to me that she's been bullied and coerced into coming out with that claptrap.

I mean, are there not cases (rare, but known) where women are in minority groups? If that's the case, how do you prioritise women over minorities? Is this like the relentlessly silly argument that if you notice that men are more violent, it's like you're a racist?

Dear fuck! It sounds to me that she's been bullied and coerced into coming out with that claptrap.

I find these struggle session type public apologies intensely upsetting. They are obviously meant pour encourager les autres

It is chilling that a woman is made to apologise for suggesting a long-established role designed to protect women is kept in existence, meanwhile a man, who has taken a role reserved for women, has not, as far as I’m aware, been made to apologise for ‘suggest[ing] “bigoted” rape survivors should be re-educated about transgender rights as part of recovering from their trauma.’

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19509343.outcry-plan-educate-bigoted-rape-survivors-trans-rights/

That Glosswitch piece is great; really considered and so clearly written.

Yes, it is.

Thought some might like to read this - FT's 2022 list of influential women.

www.ft.com/content/8428d275-a9ba-46e7-9c39-78b847c5cef7

I must say that I looked with some trepidation, not knowing what I might find ....

A couple of things on Twitter today. First post in a short thread from "Adopter of Cats" says "I’ve spent days arguing with tw that claim they are female. I had a heart attack today, a heart attack that almost wasn’t caught because the machine was set to female. An EMT remembered the medical history I gave and change the setting. My heart is male. /1" and among the replies is a link to an article about the risks of passing as male: www.womenarehuman.com/woman-committed-to-passing-as-male-nearly-dies-from-medical-condition/

Here's an archived version - archive.ph/hW3h8

Pike, the rules of this site specifically ask us not to use that acronym for trans people. MN has been so welcoming to us that I think we should comply, even in non-pejorative, medically appropriate situations - the full words are fine.

The person you mention is, always was, and probably always will be, a shit-stirring idiot.

Can't see a dlete post option so have reported the post and asked mumsnet to delete it. Apologies to all.

I don't think it's a big deal pike, and you weren't saying anything bad - it's just I still feel a bit conscious of how new we are.

From Brit's link:

'Ms Whitley nearly died. “It was really cute and awesome that I was treated as male, but in being this way, they didn’t necessarily take into account the body,” Ms Whitley said. She suggested that doctors should have done guesswork. “I was born female and I identify as male – they should have probably have set my limit as somewhere in the middle.”

'Cute' is not a part of good medical practice. 'Awesome' would typically involve not almost killing your patient. And no, they should not have guessed 'somewhere in the middle'. Your kidney doesn't give 2 hoots about your "identity".

I saw these and thought of you guys:

curatingcambridge.co.uk/products/behave-badly-4-badge-set

Hope you all well

Just done the annual work survey.

Gender identity: male, female, prefer to self describe, prefer not to say.

Do you identify as transgender? Yes, no, unsure, prefer not to say.

Nowhere does it ask sex. And there are no free text boxes anywhere.

Good badges. Shame there isn't a purple, white & green option.

doctors should have done guesswork

No, it's up to the person withholding necessary information to tell the doctors what they need to know.

Love the badges - particularly appropriate as we have been so thoroughly scolded.

I now wonder why I put up with it for so long, despite my misgivings. We were treated appallingly and nodded along with it, as if grateful to be allowed to speak about the subject at all. With hindsight, it feels pathetic and I am slightly embarrassed at having gone along with it when there are other places where women’s speech is not seen as a threat. Dreadful, controlling misogynist arseholes that they are. Am obviously having an angry phase right now!