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Here we go again! Brighton Police want to interview KJK about a hate crime.

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ScreamingMeMe · 21/11/2022 19:02

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TinselAngel · 22/11/2022 21:04

Helleofabore · 22/11/2022 20:58

Nooo... isn't this 'inner Beryl' thing about the voice that tells you that if you don't do something that society expects that you are mean?

Seriously. If you think Karen is wrong to use, then I am standing up for the Beryls in the same way. This Beryl is making a fucking stand!

Your Inner Beryl is when your female socialisation speaks to you.

Helleofabore · 22/11/2022 21:09

Your Inner Beryl is when your female socialisation speaks to you.

yes. I gather that. Hence me speaking out for all Beryls.

BoreOfWhabylon · 22/11/2022 21:28

Sorry, didn't see that the Mail article had already been poster Blush

BoreOfWhabylon · 22/11/2022 21:28

posted!

beastlyslumber · 22/11/2022 21:33

Beryl is a lovely name. It needs to make a comeback. Also Beryl Cook and Beryl Reid - two awesome Beryls.

Moonatics · 22/11/2022 21:51

SapphosRock · 22/11/2022 16:18

I actually haven't criticised KJK on this thread, in fact I praised the way she handled the call with the police.

It's almost as if posters want more conflict and drama between KJK and feminists which is a shame.

I've seen veiled digs, it appears others have too.
It seems it's a you thing. Maybe try reading your posts before pressing the post button. Check that it doesnt sound snarky. I mean I post the odd snarky post, but I stand by them (and then they get deleted but I'm ok with that)

ControversialOpening · 22/11/2022 21:55

And the great Beryl Burton
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_Burton

TheBiologyStupid · 22/11/2022 22:00

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/11/2022 19:57

I see the Mail are covering this. The comments know precisely where the problem is - and it's not with KJK.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11456405/Police-threaten-arrest-womens-rights-campaigner-doesnt-attend-voluntary-interview.html

More excellent sunlight.

Yes, I suspect the DM lurks these boards looking for stories. And why not? For some reason, The Guardian can't be arsed.

TinselAngel · 22/11/2022 22:02

I post the odd snarky post
I can be a snidey cow, but generally in a good cause.

TheBiologyStupid · 22/11/2022 22:03

And not forgetting Beryl May Dent: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_May_Dent

TinselAngel · 22/11/2022 22:09

And my Aunty Beryl.

TheBiologyStupid · 22/11/2022 22:10

The Guardian used to be shit hot on Police overreach and misuse of the Police in furtherance of an agenda, they've well and truly flushed those principles down the toilet.

A gender-neutral one I expect... Though GB News also has exclusively gender-neutral loos according to a rather snarky piece in the latest Private Eye.

SapphosRock · 22/11/2022 22:26

Thanks for that Moonatics

Only on Mumsnet could you agree with literally every poster on the thread but they still try and pick a fight with you 😂

TinselAngel · 22/11/2022 22:41

SapphosRock · 22/11/2022 22:26

Thanks for that Moonatics

Only on Mumsnet could you agree with literally every poster on the thread but they still try and pick a fight with you 😂

We can all read the thread and see this isn't true, you know. Likewise the many similar previous threads where you have vilified KJK both before and after your Damascene conversion.

EmpressaurusOfWitchesBackFromTheDead · 23/11/2022 07:30

Sappho, I can’t see where you’ve answered the question about whether the sin page is representative of the views of Brighton Feminists in general? If you support KJK, as you say, are you arguing for its removal?

SapphosRock · 23/11/2022 08:01

It's written by a woman with opinions.

If you believe in letting women speak this lends itself to supporting differences in opinion.

Is calling for the author of the page to be muzzled representative of all SFW supporters?

Datun · 23/11/2022 08:13

Nice deflection. Empress asked what you want and you responded by asking her to tell you what an entirely different set of people think!

TinselAngel · 23/11/2022 08:35

SapphosRock · 23/11/2022 08:01

It's written by a woman with opinions.

If you believe in letting women speak this lends itself to supporting differences in opinion.

Is calling for the author of the page to be muzzled representative of all SFW supporters?

Ever thought of going into politics?

MoirasSaggyBundles · 23/11/2022 08:47

SapphosRock · 23/11/2022 08:01

It's written by a woman with opinions.

If you believe in letting women speak this lends itself to supporting differences in opinion.

Is calling for the author of the page to be muzzled representative of all SFW supporters?

I hope you apply the same logic to conservative women commentators. I bet you don't.

Helleofabore · 23/11/2022 09:14

SapphosRock · 23/11/2022 08:01

It's written by a woman with opinions.

If you believe in letting women speak this lends itself to supporting differences in opinion.

Is calling for the author of the page to be muzzled representative of all SFW supporters?

How bizarre…

The sin page is up there on the site still for the group. If it doesn’t represent the values of the group it should be removed.

This is PR basics.

Either the group who have control over the site support this page, or this solarity woman has allowed the group to be portrayed as having that view.

That is not that woman’s website. That is not a website gathering individual opinions. That is not a social media platform.

Surely you understand this sappho.

If you or others feel powerless to have that page removed, that is also part of the issue.

I have genuinely asked these questions upthread about the group and their values. Because the mixed messages we are getting. I understand that you and others may well feel powerless to feedback to a group with people in decision making positions being perceived as all having that opinion.

That is what I and others are trying to work out.

Why? Because their behaviour over that page and in the Facebook group seems at odds with the values they want people to think they have. And this division is happening because of feminists like them.

As I said upthread quite clearly. If those women want the division. Fine. But stop expecting to use other women as resources to be tapped.

This division has had me canceling subscriptions, attendence ant events and more considered in contributing to crowd funding. And if this group don’t understand why this is happening by now, then they are so entrenched in believing they pure that they really are as ideological as the TRAs.

And yes… some court cases are really important.

But isn’t it hypocritical for a group to accept financial assistance from women who by their own narrow parameters would be ‘problematic’ and that the group would normally seek to exclude, or tell to fuck off or however they expected Heart of Oak to be dealt with? Because that really does seem to be very hypocritical to me.

It is that group of Brighton feminists who are intolerant and authoritarian, almost to the point of totalitarian. They have shown themselves to be extreme in their intolerance. That fb page, for instance, demanded that people’s pushback against surrogacy be curated to suit them. And in that action dictated that only their way of looking at surrogacy and describing the reality of surrogacy was ever appropriate. Because it would hurt some group’s feelings to hear the stark reality of their own direct actions.

So if that inner decision making group doesn’t agree with that sin page, they should probably get it removed immediately. Because, any benefit of the doubt that I and others would have extended that it was ‘just one individual woman’s opinion’ is probably pretty much used up.

Helleofabore · 23/11/2022 09:15

solitary not solarity …. Mmm

Datun · 23/11/2022 09:27

Is there a link to the 'sin page', I've not read it.

2plus2equals5 · 23/11/2022 09:47

Helleofabore · 23/11/2022 09:14

How bizarre…

The sin page is up there on the site still for the group. If it doesn’t represent the values of the group it should be removed.

This is PR basics.

Either the group who have control over the site support this page, or this solarity woman has allowed the group to be portrayed as having that view.

That is not that woman’s website. That is not a website gathering individual opinions. That is not a social media platform.

Surely you understand this sappho.

If you or others feel powerless to have that page removed, that is also part of the issue.

I have genuinely asked these questions upthread about the group and their values. Because the mixed messages we are getting. I understand that you and others may well feel powerless to feedback to a group with people in decision making positions being perceived as all having that opinion.

That is what I and others are trying to work out.

Why? Because their behaviour over that page and in the Facebook group seems at odds with the values they want people to think they have. And this division is happening because of feminists like them.

As I said upthread quite clearly. If those women want the division. Fine. But stop expecting to use other women as resources to be tapped.

This division has had me canceling subscriptions, attendence ant events and more considered in contributing to crowd funding. And if this group don’t understand why this is happening by now, then they are so entrenched in believing they pure that they really are as ideological as the TRAs.

And yes… some court cases are really important.

But isn’t it hypocritical for a group to accept financial assistance from women who by their own narrow parameters would be ‘problematic’ and that the group would normally seek to exclude, or tell to fuck off or however they expected Heart of Oak to be dealt with? Because that really does seem to be very hypocritical to me.

It is that group of Brighton feminists who are intolerant and authoritarian, almost to the point of totalitarian. They have shown themselves to be extreme in their intolerance. That fb page, for instance, demanded that people’s pushback against surrogacy be curated to suit them. And in that action dictated that only their way of looking at surrogacy and describing the reality of surrogacy was ever appropriate. Because it would hurt some group’s feelings to hear the stark reality of their own direct actions.

So if that inner decision making group doesn’t agree with that sin page, they should probably get it removed immediately. Because, any benefit of the doubt that I and others would have extended that it was ‘just one individual woman’s opinion’ is probably pretty much used up.

Great post Helleofabore - spot on in my opinion.

I was shocked by the things written about surrogacy on that fb page as well as the obsession with KJK. The post I saw about surrogacy didn't seem at all child-centred, which is where a lot of women are coming from, but rather looking at it from a political point of view. To be fair people were pushing back in the comments but I was still very shocked, it seemed a deliberate twisting of what anti-surrogacy groups are doing.

I too will be directing my money to causes that I am certain focus on protecting women and children and not politics or trying to discredit women doing things differently like KJK.

SapphosRock · 23/11/2022 09:58

Some of the feminists in Brighton are fiercely anti-racist, pro choice, left wing, supportive of donor conception (for lesbians) or all of the above.

Posie’s ‘sin page’ highlights Posie pejorative tweets about Muslim women, her support for pro-life and right wing campaigners and her total opposition to donor conception. This is completely at odds with what some feminists in Brighton stand for. Therefore they spoke up and said so.

If you believe in letting women speak then surely you must also give a voice to anti racism, pro choice, left wing, lesbian women?

There is a huge irony in claiming women should be able to speak unless they criticise KJK in which case they should be muzzled.

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