last leg anti woman shit show last night

[Babasghost]

Oh gosh ladies I never thought it would happen (especially as they have constanyly refused to put graham linehsn on the dick of the year despite massive pressure from the trans lobby )but it did.

In what appears to be a new producers anti women statement.

They made the denigration of jk rowling, the promotion of stone wall and complete pasting of the studio with the anti female trans heavy "pride" flag. A supposed response to the world cup being held in quatar a country that has significant human rights abuses and anti gay laws

I feel shaken by it. To see that flag and all it represents for lesbians in this country, for safeguarding and single sex spaces for women, being waved and draped over everyone was deeply sickening,

This program is no longer a friend to women or girls or gay people.

Can they really have not understood how terrible the optics and realities are?
Have they not understood what's just happened between mermaids and LGBA?

Upsetting.

Yep, I'm another who has been gradually going off that show and stopped watching the last year or so. It's just become another left wing, male dominated platform jumping on whatever bandwagon they think will make them popular. Of course they don't really believe TWAW just like the vast bloody majority of the population but they are too cowardly to say so as they have seen the backlash and potential career damage it creates. Pathetic.

Fruit essentialist! You appleist - I bet you campaign for apple orchards to be burned down, don't you?

You’re all skipping merrily past where she said
“There’s no such thing as a transwoman…” and “There’s no such thing as a transman…”

Thats not the same as saying “transwomen are transwomen”

Its like saying “There’s no such thing as a unicorn. Unicorns are rhinos”
Or do you want to argue that the above means unicorns actually exist? That would be some incredible doublespeak.

You’re all skipping merrily past where she said
“There’s no such thing as a transwoman…” and “There’s no such thing as a transman…”

I will address this directly. I agree with these sentences. As I understand it they mean that there isn't a type of person who is a transwoman who can be distinguished from a man pretending to be a woman.

There are men and women who take various steps to appear to be the opposite sex who say they are trans. This only tells you about their belief system.

So trans people exist in the sense that there are people who call themselves trans but Arno point can they actually change sex, they are just doing an elaborate game of pretend.

What did they say about Rowling on the show?

I used to love The Last Leg, but stopped watching some time ago. It's just not funny anymore, and the politics just leaves me cold. No surprise that 3 heterosexual white men have thrown women under the bus. Thing is, we are keeping the receipts. When this all goes shit shaped - as it inevitably will - those 'celebrities' promoting this intolerance towards women may well find themselves rather less popular.

@lovelyweathertoday
So trans people exist in the sense that there are people who call themselves trans but Arno point can they actually change sex, they are just doing an elaborate game of pretend.

Trans is all a game of pretend. Make-believe, fiction. This is denying their existence in reality. Therefore the pp who said this sort of statement is “propaganda” was incorrect. Some gender critical women do believe this. Thank you for confirming this fact.

There exists a small group of people who pretend to be, or genuinely believe they are, vampires.

If I say 'those people aren't vampires' I'm not saying 'the people who believe they are vampires don't exist'. They clearly do. I just don't agree that their beliefs about themselves are accurate. So they're pretending to be vampires, because they aren't real vampires. That's true whether they're knowingly pretending, or genuinely believe it.

Was that a Buttergasp by Onna??!!

Of course it is true that sex is binary and immutable.

Of course trans women are men, otherwise they'd just be bog standard women.

Of course trans men are women, otherwise they'd just be bog standard men.

People have varied beliefs, and also varied lack of beliefs. I have no duty to pledge allegiance to anyone's beliefs that go against my own, just as I cannot demand allegiance to my own beliefs or lack of beliefs. I just wish the genderists would get this.

When anyone else's particular worldview serves to actively damage women and children, then No. There must be boundaries, in order to safeguard the rights and safety of women and children from male violence.

That doesn't prove anything? Odd statement.

The propaganda is the pretence that people who don't believe men can become women are saying that they don't want those individuals to exist.

Is this a strategic derail?

People are free to be whoever and whatever they want to be - "within limits". There must be limits, otherwise it's anarchy. Those limits include:

• people cannot demand that all others believe the same thing that they believe
• women have rights and have boundaries
• child safety is not up for grabs
• there are no "sacred castes" who get excused safeguarding because they're police, teachers, priests, pillars of the community, well-known charity fundraisers, etc etc.

Did anyone actually watch the last leg? I too gave up on it a while ago.

I'm interested to know what they said about JKR.

I also stopped watching The Last Leg a while ago. I used to never miss a show when it was on.
Like others I don’t watch channel 4 at all now. I would if there was something on worth watching but it is just all bullshit on there now.

Did you hurt yourself with that stretch? Do tell us how anybody on mn is responsible for what happened in Colorado.

frazzledali - male violence, committed by a male, no reference to female rights or issues. Can only assume a derail

I see we've reached the Peter Pan stage now.

No, I won't be clapping my hands. I have absolutely no doubt about the existence of a large political lobby (actually a staggering number of whom are not actually male TQ+ identified people at all) who are absolutely bent on destroying women's equality, access and safeguarding, and spend time here trying to find new ways to argue females into compliance with this. Existential crisis happening in others if I defend female rights is not a reason to stop defending them.

I will also echo pp above in agreeing, I do not believe that a biologically male person is ever anything other than a biologically male person, regardless of how they wish to define themselves. That is the cornerstone of the protected belief: This is the sticking point of the whole issue here: many female people cannot share spaces with male people in situations of privacy and dignity, and need language, spaces, resources and facilities that are specific to and for female only humans.

They are not going to agree to pretend to believe otherwise so that male people can have freedoms and experiences at female expense. This is the harsh reality I'm afraid, and female people have been driven to getting equally plain about it, because the political movement behind it seems to lack any capacity for reciprocation of the sort of empathy and kindness you are demanding females provide. Had there been a bit of understanding and compassion/generosity towards females from the start, and some basic understanding of the issues in this for many females, this might have been workable. But that ship sailed years ago.

There's so much to unpack here.

Centring women is "theoretical shite".

And women who speak are to blame for all the world's ills: women who have been at the violent end of sexually frustrated males for centuries are now responsible for male violence against a male form of sexuality.

When you are done grieving and lashing out, you need to take another look at male violence and your personal hierarchy of women in society.

Thanks for the link - I have put my Like back AGAIN.

I hope Twitter last long enough for it to actually stick one day (sigh!)

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1207646162813100033

I think I am watching the wrong episode of TLL on catch-up - not a flag in sight.

Never seen it before.

Yep, it's also not consistently funny, it can be a bit weak. It's always been a woke fest - as a woke viewer never bothered me until Queer Theory brought me to my woke limit. The producers I guess are also assuming all Channel 4 viewers have drunk the Kool Aid.

Adam Hills is Australian so would love to hear his take on males in women's sports over there.

So disappointing they have a pop at JKR. Do the TRA thing but leave her out of it or call her 'woman's rights campaigner JK Rowling' then see how the joke falls.

Where were all the trans people when you were younger? Do you ever think about that? You might remember some transvestites and tales of women finding out their husbands were cross dressers. Straight men in retaliation to accusations of feminine behaviour would joke “only on the weekends!”

Logically, looking at a timeline of human history, why do you think now is the time, after hundreds of thousands of years of existence, that thousands and thousands of humans were “born in the wrong body”?

Logically, looking at the science of how a baby is formed in the womb, how does a perfectly formed male foetus end up with a female brain in there?

What IS a female brain?