Gendered Intelligence

[Whatwherewherewhat]

They are doing some presentations at my place of work soon.

Does anyone have experience of their presentations? Any idea what I can expect?

It's not mandatory but it makes me think there may be a forthcoming policy...

@Lampedsomeoiks thank you for posting. I have a dd currently gender questioning i.e. referring to herself as ‘our son’ etc and I am grateful to you for sharing your perspective

I will be logging off for the evening but I am okay to answer any questions tomorrow and will catch up if anyone wants to ask anything. Like I said I'm not as articulate as the Differently Normal author. My heart is too firmly on my sleeve for that.

@Lampedsomeoiks thank you very much for posting. I think you're very articulate (though I agree with you that the Differently Normal website is brilliant!).

@Lampedsomeoiks thank you so much for being brave enough to post here. So valuable to hear how that misappropriation affects you and I'm so sorry.

Appreciate your courage and I'm so sorry you're being put through this. It's unconscionable.

Here you are OP - Heather Brunskell-Evans has written a devastating critique of Gendered Intelligence and their toxic influence on society. Really joins up lots of the dots. Link to her article in this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4677577-the-idea-of-the-trans-child-is

Thank you for saying this. I have someone in my extended family who also has a DSD and the stuff that is trotted out so thoughtlessly makes me see red. Their whole life is affected in some way.
Because it's not my own story to tell I don't feel I can say any more than the 'general' arguments refuting it.

Thank you

I wonder if we're at the same university OP - I started a thread today as well!

I@QuimReaper I reckon so 😉

@Lampedsomeoiks thank you for posting and I’m sorry you have to deal with this on top of what you’ve already been through. These activists barely even properly represent the needs of people with gender dysphoria and more and more people with GD, some of them trans, are speaking up and pushing back. I hope the funding for treatment of DSD conditions is rightfully restored as soon as possible.

These organisations always go straight to trans lobbyists, and get them to write the script. No questions asked. No normal women involved at all.

Why are they unable to acknowledge that there is, there really is, a recognised conflict between the rights and preferences of women (women's strictly single-sex spaces) and those of men who have a thing about themselves being their own personal version of women (but they are still men, not women, but insisting on entry to what should be women's single-sex spaces. Very male type of behaviour - they are more important than women).

Aside from the DSD conflation and mislabelling (which is truly disgusting IMO) GI have dodgy age groups for children's activities and a trawl through MN will list the safeguarding concerns I'm sure you're already aware of.

Does your Uni look at risks under health and safety? I'm sure they wouldn't want to open themselves up to any legal action as a result of misrepresenting equality law with made up protected characteristics. You could try sharing the BBC Nolan podcast on Stonewall and the Akua Reindorf report to denostrate how Stonewall law (influenced by GI) has lead to problems for universities.

Do they follow Athena Swan?

Thank you all for your kind words.

I have been 'lucky' in that the madness of these organisations has mostly flown over my head for most my life. It is the last 2 years where things have just gotten so wild that it has been hard to ignore.

I wonder if these groups have any thought to properly listen to those with such conditions? I doubt they want to hear from us. It wouldn't fit their narratives to hear the cold-hard truths from sufferers.

I hope some of you read the other articles on the Differently Normal. The stress the author went through as a child and teenager with her many hospital visits. I can echo that too.

A child gawped at by strangers, mostly men, with no say-so. It is horrific that leaves mental and physical scars that cannot be erased. I have tried counselling but that has done little for me. The conditions are so rare it is hard to find even a decent understanding consultant to this day.

My condition also causes ongoing health issues that are an anchor around my neck. I am not even sure how my body will cope into menopause due to the systems affected. It is terrifying.

@OhHolyJesus
Athena Swan, yes.
Thank you for the suggestions, i am putting together some useful links and trying to gather salient facts.

I'm very quiet and nervous and my heart is already hammering at the thought of asking difficult questions during the meeting...so my best options are to send an email before or after I think.

I just hate to think of the presentation happening and all those nice gullible people taking in all the nonsense and believing it. I just wish I was a more articulate thinker and speaker!

I will certainly have a look at Differently Normal, thank you so much. I'm so very sorry for everything you've experienced, and that you have people taking advantage of your lives experience to push their own agenda.

Thank you for coming here and sharing with us.

Yes it's amazing isn't it?

I need to find something concrete on their website that goes against any of the reasons that the uni gave for now continuing the relationship with Stonewall.

Not continuing*
Not even sure that sentence makes sense 🤦🏻‍♀️

I just wish I was a more articulate thinker and speaker!

Based on this thread and your posts you are clear and concise. No one needs to be a wordsmith to express a truth or raise a question. I too have not felt so brave in speaking up but you may surprise yourself! Women should have more faith in themselves, are all we seem to be making the most sense on this! The more you do it the easier it becomes and your points are rooted in truth and you have evidence. I would guess that senior staff would have children or have children I their lives, it's pretty difficult to support this when safeguarding is centred and when it's clear on the conflation of actual science and medical conditions is apparent.

For Athena Swan, if you want to challenge this, you could share a quick comparison with their 2017/2018 goals of women in STEM and compare with their most recent version. A simply word search of 'woman/women' and the number of times it appears is indicative of the direction they are taking.

Feel free to DM me, but you've got this covered I think.

I'm sure you'll do well, @Whatwherewherewhat . Good luck.
And sorry to bang on about to this, but please remember to use normal English words and phrases, not the language of TRAs. If we use their language we give it currency - we normalise the words and legitimise the concepts.

@BellaAmorosa definitely, real language all the way!

Thank you too @OhHolyJesus , for your help and support

I have an update...it's been cancelled 😊
Apparently there were MANY complaints, some very unpleasant.
I now have an opportunity, via someone I know that knows the organiser, wo make some recommendations for alternative training. What shall I suggest?

That's great - and the fact it's been cancelled after protests indicates that the majority are seeing this type of "training" for the indoctrination it is.
What about suggesting a speaker who could unpick the mess institutions have got themselves into from listening to Stonewall, GI etc biased versions of the law etc? Does the barrister Akua Reindorf (employment / discrimination barrister who exposed Essex University's discrimination against Jo Phoenix) take on speaking commitments? Ben Cooper (Maya's KC) did a fascinating interview recently about employment law and discrimination? Someone from Sex Matters?
A legally factual session in contrast to all the gender woowoo indoctrination that's self identified as training in recent years?

I agree with Mrs Overton there and would also suggest LGB Alliance or depending on your industry, a speaker from another grassroots organisation like Councillors who Care, GC Midwives, or one of the smaller, lesser well know groups that have gathered and launched since this crazy thing took over.

Your employer could also consider a disability group or Age U.K. so to focus on a protected characteristic that still exists and which has a particular focus which is often overlooked amongst EDI.