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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The idea of the trans child is...

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Leafstamp · 14/11/2022 20:04

...an illusion

Very powerful and well researched article by Helen Brunskell-Evans

thecritic.co.uk/the-making-of-an-illusion/

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/11/2022 20:20

A great article from Heather. It's a shame she didn't spot this little bit of influencing children that Gendered Intelligence indulge themselves in -"mentoring" children in schools who are confused about their sex.
The idea of random self interested adults with no apparent qualifications being allowed to meet on a one to one basis to discuss a vulnerable child's feelings about their body, their sexual identity etc is shocking from a safeguarding / child psychology perspective. They charge £90 an hour (plus expenses) for these sessions and suggest that the school can use pupil premium / disability funding for their services.

genderedintelligence.co.uk/professionals/mentoring.html#:~:text=Gendered%20Intelligence%20offers%20mentoring%20to,place%20in%20any%20educational%20setting.

Abitofalark · 14/11/2022 20:22

Haven't read the article yet or heard anything of her recently but I've long admired Brunskell-Evans.

It's my view that we should not refer to children as 'trans child' or 'trans children'. They are simply a child or children. They don't merit or benefit from categorisation on a mistaken or deliberate ideological or flimsy basis such as a passing comment or phase of curiosity or confusion arising out of influences surrounding them or pressed upon them.

Circumferences · 14/11/2022 20:24

Trans kids are an adult invention.

ApocalipstickNow · 14/11/2022 20:27

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/11/2022 20:20

A great article from Heather. It's a shame she didn't spot this little bit of influencing children that Gendered Intelligence indulge themselves in -"mentoring" children in schools who are confused about their sex.
The idea of random self interested adults with no apparent qualifications being allowed to meet on a one to one basis to discuss a vulnerable child's feelings about their body, their sexual identity etc is shocking from a safeguarding / child psychology perspective. They charge £90 an hour (plus expenses) for these sessions and suggest that the school can use pupil premium / disability funding for their services.

genderedintelligence.co.uk/professionals/mentoring.html#:~:text=Gendered%20Intelligence%20offers%20mentoring%20to,place%20in%20any%20educational%20setting.

Have they any idea how much schools are struggling financially?

90 quid and you’re paying for someone’s accommodation, ffs! Can’t they just use Zoom?

MauisLeftNipple · 14/11/2022 20:55

I've seen in a FB group someone asking for recommendations for where to relocate that is LGBTABCD friendly because they aren't into traditional gender roles, and they are worried their child will get bullied because they are not a traditional male. The child is 3 years old.

Trans kids are all about the stereotyping.

CrossStichQueen · 14/11/2022 22:49

The idea of the trans child is...the same as a vegan cat....not the cats choice.

MangyInseam · 14/11/2022 23:17

In part I think this comes from the identification with lgbtq+. It's the same justification used to have things like rainbow clubs in primary schools, or talking to quite young children about their sexuality. The logic is, if people are born "queer" then we should be able to identify those children and help them be comfortable in their queer identity.

Personally, aside from the fact that I don't think it's as straightforward as they think even to identify gay and lesbian kids, it's mostly about convincing them that this identity is attached to certain political and social beliefs, while they are really too young to understand what they are about.

Ofcourseshecan · 15/11/2022 08:51

The idea of the trans child is... necessary to trans activists, for the narrative that there have always been people who were born trans.

The idea of the trans child is... not to be examined closely, because it falls apart very quickly under scrutiny.

The idea of the trans child is... a gift to drug companies seeking lifelong patients.

Oblomov22 · 15/11/2022 08:52

vegan cat Grin

Squeakycatflapper · 15/11/2022 08:56

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Oblomov22 · 15/11/2022 08:57

The cartoon “trans man” sports a beard, body hair, a flat chest after mastectomy and a vulva; the cartoon “trans woman” has breast implants, no body hair and a penis.

Quelle surprise. The cartoon trans woman doesn't get rid of their penis.

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Managinggenzoclock · 15/11/2022 08:59

Children can be confused about their sex. In fact, as an ex reception teacher I’d say it’s relatively normal between 2-5 year olds. My son once asked if he was going to grow up to be a man or a woman. This needs factual information in a low key, clear way alongside clarity that gender stereotyping is not related to this. E.g boys grow up to be men, so you’re going to be a wonderful man. What do you think men can do? Ah yes, they can and they also can do X Y Z. The only thing they can’t do, is grow a baby because that is something women do.

My son at 3 could have been labelled as a trans child because he didn’t know about gender stereotypes about colours and sparkles and because he didn’t know boys biologically become men.

He is not confused or upset now, he frequently assertively corrects strangers that he is a boy not a girl (he has long hair by choice).

This business of children ‘know’ is bollocks. They only ‘know’ if their parents react in frankly bonkers ways. Poor parents these days are being taught or even required to not correct their children and teach facts. Madness.

Managinggenzoclock · 15/11/2022 09:02

PS not attacking at all parents of teens with these issues. Parents have much less ability to influence their children once they are at secondary school and the culture of their peers (and influence of ‘trusted’ adults) takes over to a much greater degree.

romdowa · 15/11/2022 09:10

Managinggenzoclock · 15/11/2022 08:59

Children can be confused about their sex. In fact, as an ex reception teacher I’d say it’s relatively normal between 2-5 year olds. My son once asked if he was going to grow up to be a man or a woman. This needs factual information in a low key, clear way alongside clarity that gender stereotyping is not related to this. E.g boys grow up to be men, so you’re going to be a wonderful man. What do you think men can do? Ah yes, they can and they also can do X Y Z. The only thing they can’t do, is grow a baby because that is something women do.

My son at 3 could have been labelled as a trans child because he didn’t know about gender stereotypes about colours and sparkles and because he didn’t know boys biologically become men.

He is not confused or upset now, he frequently assertively corrects strangers that he is a boy not a girl (he has long hair by choice).

This business of children ‘know’ is bollocks. They only ‘know’ if their parents react in frankly bonkers ways. Poor parents these days are being taught or even required to not correct their children and teach facts. Madness.

My brother at 3 wanted to wear a hair band , nail varnish and be known by a girls name. This lasted on and off for a few months , just like his imaginary friend did. It's clearly a phase that a lot of children go through around this age. My brother is definitely not transgender . He was just a child exploring and learning through imagination. These days he'd be encouraged to grow his hair, adopt new pronouns and be a girl.

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