Gendered Intelligence

[Whatwherewherewhat]

They are doing some presentations at my place of work soon.

Does anyone have experience of their presentations? Any idea what I can expect?

It's not mandatory but it makes me think there may be a forthcoming policy...

If they try to conflate sex with gender at any points, could you stick your hand up and ask them to clarify if they mean e.g. female sex or woman gender? It's really important not to muddle them.

Following this consultation, Stonewall announced in February 2015 that it would now be campaigning for all of the LGBT community and was beginning a path to trans inclusion.

As part of this move, all Stonewall staff received trans inclusive training from Gendered Intelligence. Stonewall also established a Trans Advisory Group to steer Stonewall’s integration of trans equality across all of the charity’s campaigns and programmes. The group reflects a diverse range of trans voices and experiences.

from the horses mouth.

www.stonewall.org.uk/our-work/campaigns/2015-stonewall-extends-remit-become-lgbt-charity-and-begins-journey-trans

@ickky thank you so much, that is SO useful!!

We had a poster very recently post the heavily inflated figure of 1.7% (I think it was from Fausto Sterling). And doubled down when we pointed out that they were offensive to women with PCOS.

Some people will be determined to believe it because it suits their sex is a spectrum narrative that they use to prop up their ideological thinking.

You pluck it away and they then have nothing left to prop it up with. That is the issue. It is all built on sand that shifts. The evidence we provide is based on the rock of millennia of evolution that has not really changed.

Now I suspect that poster was very heavily invested in needing to believe sex is a spectrum and that those with DSDs provide proof of this. They jeered and rejected any hint they were wrong, because the number is repeated by trans supportive groups as a proven fact.

That is how misrepresentation spreads and it is hard to argue it when groups supporting those with DSDs repeat it too.

I don't want to post the name of my institution here but as I said, they withdrew from the Stonewall Diversity Champions Scheme in 2020. There is a document online which anyone can look at, from the Academic Board when asked to advise the University Management Committee about whether the institution should have a formal relationship with Stonewall. It's a very interesting document.

I wouldn't have thought that anyone who had read it, would then bring in the company to provide training, which had previously trained Stonewall on trans policy.

I'd like to think I could but my nerves might get the better of me!

From the excellent CAIS Files -

'It is also increasingly common for people without a DSD, to identify as intersex, with even Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome being claimed as the most common intersex variation, even though most women with PCOS would never describe themselves as intersex and this is not officially recognised by any medical organisation.'.

Going on what I've seen on Twitter and elsewhere, there is a small section of women (who have PCOS) who are identifying as being 'intersex', mostly it seems in order not to be boring 'cis' women - it's so 'not like other girls' that it's laughable. It's also deeply unhelpful to those who do have such conditions.

It's also been picked up (as Hellofabore points out) by activists who are determined to stand by the nonsense of 'sex is a spectrum'.

Wtf????

If you work at the uni I am thinking of, I think management will be supportive of your concerns. As well as leaving Stonewall did they recently host a GC feminist event? (Not Helen Joyce at Cambridge)

Did it involve Lego? 😊

This is a good piece on DSDs, as are the two linked articles

differently-normal.com/2022/05/17/an-open-letter-to-all-organisations-using-lgbtqi/

@Charley50 and if so, where would you go to voice concerns?

0.018% I believe

I think Michael Biggs at Oxford also published an article about GI. Apparently, they did a training at Oxford and then launched a complaint about a staff member who asked critical questions.

GI are perhaps the reason why so many universities are so captured, they train many academics. It’s also a brilliant money spinner for them. According to the charity commission’s register, GI had an income of £1,138,641 in the year ending June 2021.

The Michael Biggs article is here

uncommongroundmedia.com/how-queer-theory-became-university-policy/

Just looking at the financial info more closely, GI has had a massive cash injection from donations and legacies last year, almost 950k. The year before, it was less than 65k.

i know it’s a cliché … but who funds you?!?

perhaps a generous donor worrying that this charity may be about to fall on hard times?

@Whatwherewherewhat
This is good advice but please don't use the phrase "woman gender". There is no such thing. Don't use their words or concepts, I beg you. Maybe ask if they mean "female sex" or "traditionally feminine stereotypes"?

Female sex or feminine gender ? That’s what it really comes down to
not woman - that adult human female
feminine is a stereotype and that’s what gender is

Another excellent resource from an evolutionary biologist.

www.realityslaststand.com/p/intersex-is-not-as-common-as-red

It's so sinister isn't it.

👍 I don't work there but I read the document about them leaving Stonewall and how the leadership stood up to the student transactivists (protesting them leaving) calmly and firmly. I watched a video of a looong discussion between a senior leader and a Student EDI officer. I think it was on YouTube. So maybe they will listen if you raise concerns?

This has come up on my Twitter feed - twitter.com/seanmcarroll/status/1592168158865281025?s=20&t=1lYR4PaAzKoNdFW6GZGAfQ

Emma Hamilton has just entered the conversation....this should be good

Ah, it's glorious -
twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1592213002530525186?s=20&t=DTy3eIAA3alvHEmRmoSgBw

This has taken some major courage to create this post.

I have a DSD, I am female I have xx chromosomes.

I cannot truly post what I want to say about those that are hijacking DSDs as I would be banned. The Differently Normal site articulates it far better than I can.

The illness has caused me a lot of major mental health and physical health issues so to read these groups using it as a means to advanced their warped narrative has deeply upset and hurt me. I hate them in short.

They have no thought, care or understanding towards people with DSD illnesses. The insane ideologies being encouraged at every level is dangerous and absolutely tone deaf to people with no choice as to what they suffer from.

I couldn't choose the awful things I have gone through since birth and would give anything to never have suffered this.

It is not a fad, or a feeling. It is my health and well being.

I was still in two minds typing this but will see it through as I wanted to convey my thoughts as a sufferer.