The police

[BlackForestCake]

I was just thinking that the GC analysis is the only one that can explain the behaviour of police forces up and down the country.

The liberal position is “It’s awful that the police are institutionally racist and misogynist, but it’s great that they stand up for LGBTQ+ people!”

No. The promotion of trans ideology is part of the misogyny.

As i said before - everything is graded on threat, harm & risk. So the 'thought' crimes on social media would slide down the event queue as not being as important to say an ongoing domestic violence, which i get sent to. Once I'm at this DV case, that's me written off for hours - or perhaps the entire shift. Pretty soon, the demand outstrips the resources. The 'thought' crime will be gotten too eventually - or may be passed to a crime car or similar who soaks up such crimes which have sat on the queue for weeks without having anyone free to deploy.

Cops are fully aware of this and will 'write off' jobs quickly which do not merit any further police involvement - its just not worth their time to spend on it. So if its a job that someone has tied a yellow ribbon to a tree or someone has said on YouTube that peadophiles are not very nice - it won't merit any action, unless there is something more to it. We are not going to give ourselves tons of extra work when we don't need to - and can't anyway.

We are trying to read the incidents, but we are only getting a small part of the actual incident itself.

If a ribbon was tied to a tree too close to someones house - and its almost gone to court - then what was the crime which CPS were considering? Presumably, this was the same crime which a person would have been arrested for - what was that crime, as it doesn't say in the texts?
There is no crime of 'tying a ribbon to a tree' but it may be part of a bigger picture.

Or do you assume that's not the case - and the police & CPS were actively perusing the ribbon occurrence only as a stand alone offence (which in law doesn't exist - but they thought we'll try anyway)?

For me - its a resource thing which is the main reason why police forces are struggling to get to jobs. Everything now has to be risk assessed & safe guarded. vulnerable people have to be watched whilst mental health teams can organise an assessment team, missing children from care homes are automatically classed as medium/high risk missing people if they don't come back to their care home by 9pm. And every night its the same 5-6 who go missing - and they of course learn where not to go to be caught by CCTV, police etc etc

This is where your police response resources are - not embroiled in ribbons being tied to a tree.

Felix125
You say
'Cops are fully aware of this and will 'write off' jobs quickly which do not merit any further police involvement - its just not worth their time to spend on it. So if its a job that someone has tied a yellow ribbon to a tree or someone has said on YouTube that peadophiles are not very nice - it won't merit any action, unless there is something more to it. We are not going to give ourselves tons of extra work when we don't need to - and can't anyway.'

Are you aware of this case?
2 visits from police officers including reinforcements with police car. Arrests made leading to no further action for the heinous action of retweeting a meme.

www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/crime/hampshire-police-and-crime-commissioner-donna-jones-condemns-forces-excessive-response-to-man-who-shared-a-social-media-post-showing-progress-pride-flag-rearranged-into-shape-of-a-swastika-3787497

The 'ribbons' case is part of a much larger scenario where the Police (both in Scotland and NI) are seemly allowing themselves to be used as the personal enforcement arm by a deeply unpleasant individual who appears to have a particular fear of purple, green and violet ribbons and of women daring to state an opinion. The whole thing (and similar claims by the same person) are ludicrous and intended to harass women by forcing them to go through the process.

And the Police seem to be giving this quite a bit of time and effort. Quite astounding really. Given that confidence in the Police is at a particular low due to their institutionalised racism and misogyny, they might want to have go at fixing their public image.

@Felix125 so you agree there should be a full Public Enquiry into the Police to root out the rotten culture?

The incidents in my post were not referencing police officers with criminal convictions being hired or allowed to remain in the Police.

Seems every time I read the news there's more.

'A police officer has been charged with attempted murder after a woman was found injured in a hotel.'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-63614796

VestofAbsurdity
So whats your point here - he shouldn't have been hired for something he might do in the future?

Are you saying he is another example of why we shouldn't trust the police?

Imnobody4
He was arrested for malicious communications - there is no such offence of 're-tweeting a meme'

You have to establish what the original call to the police was by the reporting person - and what that reporting person was disclosing that required a police response.

Is this a job that fell onto the non-emergency event queue and was being dealt with 'as and when' - probably so, as the article doesn't state that police attended on an immediate response.

Is there a bigger back story to this which you are not aware of. Look at the man I arrested for wishing his ex-partner 'all the best' on social media. That was a job I had initially 'collected' off the event queue - was I wrong to arrest him as he declared on his social media account? After all, it was a non offensive comment he made.

My force isn't wearing rainbow lanyards or anything stuck on the cars .

I've been posting on the fwr board a bit lately .

Our force hasn't seemingly no bias . Thank fuck .

same here with us

And you know what .

I'm currently fighting a disability discrimination case at work .

I'm not a fan of management.

But please be assured most of the cops on the ground do y subscribe to this absolute bollocks .

I think Felix is pretty much of the same mindset as me . Yeah Felix is a bloke but cops pretty much feel the same . I'm a woman . I've had to look on Google for definitions of a cis woman .

Me - I'm a woman . Born one . Still one . Do not believe anyone can "change " sex .

I have before now said I could roll in breadcrumbs and call myself a fishfinger but it doesn't change the sex I was born into .

I agree with single sex spaces and I will fight for my rights as a woman .

It doesn't seem to have penetrated my job yet . No stonewall training, no mermaids , no rainbow lanyard, no Macarena.

Not in my force yet . I took part in a focus group 3 weeks ago . I put forward that the police are being politicised and we all agreed that was wrong .

The police aren't the enemy . The ideology some forces are taking is .

Glad to hear that Felix . Sanity clearly does prevail in some of our forces !

I'm always in bother . I've been banned from call handling 😂

I tend to speak my mind .

Same here - I tend to be the shift mouth piece when senior management turn up to a briefing to say 'how well everything is going'.......... 'does anyone have any questions?'

'Yes... several' - I reply

Yep . That's shit . Police officers are part of the general population and they do fuck up . Probably less % wise than the general population but yeah - I've worked with some right fucking dicks before now . They get weeded out one way or another.
It's newsworthy because it's a cop

Most murderers aren't . They work normal jobs and are normal people in society. No recruitment drive is absolutely fail safe 100% . I think if you looked at 100 murders most suspects would be working perfectly normal jobs .

I like you already Felix ! Management do t like me much these days for the same reason !

Felix - we keep fighting the good fight .

All we can do mate .
High five . (There's mo emoji ) 😂

You two are a virtual showcase of what we are talking about.

I can't believe the tone deafness of all this 'only one bad apple' we are the good guys crap after all that came out in the Wayne Cousins case.

Fucking enablers.

@stillvicarinatutu - attempted murder of a women (his partner?) isn't 'fucking-up'!!

Of course there are good police. But the culture is rotten: what is acceptable in terms of sick and abusive messages between some police officers has shown that. Police aren't policing each other's bad attitudes.

I heard a programme on radio 4 about misogyny towards female police officers. So many incidents ignored by management and female police officers lives made difficult for complaining.

Only anecdotal but my mum worked in a health clinic near the police training college back in the 80s. She told me there was a problem with DV in the force back then.

Exactly!

Particularly as (as someone pointed out on another thread) the actual proverb is 'one bad apple spoils the whole barrel'

My jaw dropped at the high fiving in particular. Tone deaf doesn't even begin to cover it.

I know that the police deal with the worst of society, I know that many if not most police are good people, I have friends who are police. I also appreciate police taking time to explain points of policing to us on here.

I'd say there is a major issue with public relationship with police right now - especially when it comes to women. The major thing that needs to happen in order for trust to be rebuilt is for the police to listen, and not presume that in every case, it's the police who are in the right and the civilians who are incorrect.

When I say 'police', I don't mean any particular posters on this board, I mean the institution as a whole, of course. There has to be a change in culture, if the police want to continue to police by consent, and to improve their ability to protect people.

AlisonDonut & Charley50
You two are a virtual showcase of what we are talking about.
By challenging senior management whenever I get the chance
By thinking that our forces's policy of no signs, rainbow lanyards, charity pins etc is a good thing.
By answering emergencies first and not the 'woke' type jobs which slide down the queue - is a good stance for our force.

You need to explain what it is you are talking about here?
What would you prefer to happen?

TenPointsFromHufflepuff
I agree - how many were 'rooted out', convicted over this.
Great - get rid of them straight away - but how many as a percentage of the police force does this represent?

As stillvicarinatutu has said - Most murderers aren't cops . They work normal jobs and are normal people in society.

Most DV suspects work in normal jobs too. The guy that I mentioned earlier sending his partner a greeting on Facebook worked in a normal job. They get to keep their jobs even after convictions for DV offences and he never got a mention in any paper.

TenPointsFromHufflepuff
So how does this make me an enabler....?

Waitwhat23
'one bad apple spoils the whole barrel'
I agree, that's why I endorse the ones that have been gotten rid of.
That's why I said anyone with any convictions or offences against their name should not be accepted.
That's why I hold any senior manager of any rank to account when things are not going right or promises they have made are not being implemented and effecting how we police & respond to emergencies (promises of more vehicles, bureaucracy with case files etc etc .

But that should be the same in other jobs shouldn't it?

So my DV guy that I mentioned earlier sending his partner a greeting on Facebook- should have lost his job shouldn't he? One bad apple, so all his workmates become DV perpetrators

The delivery guy in a white van doing 35 in a 30 should loose his job shouldn't he - he's supposed to be a professional driver? One bad apple, so all his workmates don't drive to the rules anymore.

And how are you defining me as a 'bad apple' exactly?
I have not murdered anyone, assaulted anyone, no speeding tickets, no parking tickets - nothing. Do you want me to resign from the force immediately?

I've been a victim twice and had to deal with the police.
Both times they did a darvo and blamed me for the attack/event.
So no, I don't think it's 'one bad apple'' or force when I was victim blamed by two separate male officers in two separate counties.
Yes I'm sure there are good ones, I'm related to one, but like good men I am pretty sure they don't have to go around saying "I'm a nice guy police officer. That they can't accept criticism of the force not individual criticism is a massive red flag.
And it's been statistically proven that violent and predatory people are attracted to roles with power such as policing and teaching. Why does only one of these professions take it seriously and the other washes it's hands and says napalt??

ArabellaScott
I do listen

But where do we start to listen

Simplified example:

If Mrs Smith phones in and makes a compliant of harassment which on the phone sounds horrendous. She has letters posted through her door (for argument sake) which are abusive & threatening and signed Mrs Jones - a neighbour who has been abusive to her in the past and they hate each other. Do we listen to Mrs Smith?

Yes, of course we do. They are the first point of contact and unless there is significant evidence to say it hasn't happened, they must be believed.

But what if you go and see Mrs Jones about it and they refuse to speak to police as they don't see that they have done anything wrong and deny any allegation - where do we go from there?

Go back and see Mrs Smith and say there is nothing we can do because Mrs Jones wont talk to us - Mrs Smith complains that the police have done nothing to help her and have ignored her crime report. Post on MN appears from Mrs Smith about how useless police are

Or

Pursue Mrs Jones and if necessary (and if you have the powers to do so), look at arresting her if she is refusing to cooperate. She admits the offence or you find evidence which supports Mrs Smith's account. Mrs Jones charged. Mrs Jones later complains that the police should not be getting involved in 'thought policing' and 'woke' issues. Post on MN appears from Mrs Jones about how useless police are.

Or you arrest Mrs Jones, but she denies any offence (or goes no reply) and you find no evidence to support Mrs Smith's account. Post on MN appears from Mrs Jones & Mrs Smith about how useless police are.

So which civilian would be correct here if they both complian....?

So, @Felix125 and @stillvicarinatutu when you hear or see misogynistic behaviour or comments from other officers, do you pull them up on it? Do all "good cops" pull up their fellow officers on such behaviour or comments?

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to remain silent." Edmund Burke