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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex

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Sidaway · 02/11/2022 12:44

There's an active petition you can sign to this effect, if you're so inclined.

I'm not sure if we're allowed to link to it directly? Anyway, if you enter this thread's title into Google, it should come up.

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JoodyBlue · 25/12/2022 12:04

Happy Christmas all. Strolling though the Christmas insta posts today I note a big PR push from Sex Matters. I'm not GC on Insta so won't share those but I am on my personal FB, so went looking and on the Sex Matters facebook page and see there is lots of material to share in the coming days. Probably not on Christmas day, as I tend to usually get a bit of push back from one or two friends which is great for being able to raise points and share content to lurker friends. Interestingly, I haven't lost a single facebook friend since raising my head and have myriad DMs to say thank you and keep going. I thought it was worth mentioning, so that we can maximise the good work Sex Matters are doing in days to come. The next 4 weeks will be crucial I reckon.

Whereareyourshoes · 25/12/2022 15:04

JoodyBlue · 25/12/2022 12:04

Happy Christmas all. Strolling though the Christmas insta posts today I note a big PR push from Sex Matters. I'm not GC on Insta so won't share those but I am on my personal FB, so went looking and on the Sex Matters facebook page and see there is lots of material to share in the coming days. Probably not on Christmas day, as I tend to usually get a bit of push back from one or two friends which is great for being able to raise points and share content to lurker friends. Interestingly, I haven't lost a single facebook friend since raising my head and have myriad DMs to say thank you and keep going. I thought it was worth mentioning, so that we can maximise the good work Sex Matters are doing in days to come. The next 4 weeks will be crucial I reckon.

Absolutely 💚🤍💜

ScrollingLeaves · 25/12/2022 19:33

58,015

ScrollingLeaves · 25/12/2022 19:35

Petition
Update the equality act to make clear the characteristic sex is biological sex

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4668426-petition-update-the-equality-act-to-make-clear-the-characteristic-sex-is-biological-sex?page=24&reply=122466828

ResisterRex · 25/12/2022 19:41

Wow 58,018!

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SerotinaPickeler · 26/12/2022 07:07

Update the Equality Act. Follow the links to the petition. Tell your friends.

Whereareyourshoes · 26/12/2022 07:34

58,185 💚🤍💜

ScrollingLeaves · 26/12/2022 10:00

Petition
+Update the equality act to make clear the characteristic sex is biological sex*

To sign and share ⬇️

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4668426-petition-update-the-equality-act-to-make-clear-the-characteristic-sex-is-biological-sex?page=1

AtrociousCircumstance · 26/12/2022 15:46

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ErrolTheDragon · 26/12/2022 17:24

58,690

Whereareyourshoes · 26/12/2022 18:03

58,708 💚🤍💜

SerotinaPickeler · 26/12/2022 19:23

Now 58,771! Need to get to 100,000 in order to have a debate in parliament and get more sunlight. Tell your friends! Check out MN Petitions board. Thank you 💐

Whereareyourshoes · 26/12/2022 22:28

58,942 💚🤍💜

AtrociousCircumstance · 27/12/2022 01:47

Bump.

southbiscay · 27/12/2022 07:33

It's going to get harder and harder to push this to 100k. I've started sending the link to friends asking if they have seen what's happened in Scotland - and nearly everyone has; it's really waking people up - and asking them to sign and only one has pushed back.

I don't think we are anywhere near winning the overall battle yet but the huge change in the last year has been the increase in the number of people who understand the issue and realise that what is happening is nuts. But they don't know what to do about it. This gives them something to do.

Whereareyourshoes · 27/12/2022 08:06

southbiscay · 27/12/2022 07:33

It's going to get harder and harder to push this to 100k. I've started sending the link to friends asking if they have seen what's happened in Scotland - and nearly everyone has; it's really waking people up - and asking them to sign and only one has pushed back.

I don't think we are anywhere near winning the overall battle yet but the huge change in the last year has been the increase in the number of people who understand the issue and realise that what is happening is nuts. But they don't know what to do about it. This gives them something to do.

Thank you. Every reasonable conversation helps and you’re right, this is an easy action people can take.

59,064 💚🤍💜

⬇️ Please sign and share ⬇️

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4668426-petition-update-the-equality-act-to-make-clear-the-characteristic-sex-is-biological-sex?page=1

Slothtoes · 27/12/2022 09:18

Agreed it will be difficult- but it feels like once the penny drops for people and they understand the full extent of the dismantling of basic safeguarding and the huge risks to women and children they are so horrified that they want to be active to stop it, so hopefully they’ll share this link a lot. The GRA is untenable to keep because it’s a legal confounder to the clear sex and gender distinctions that we really need to preserve in the law in the interests of women and children. Everyone knows whether they want to admit it or not that human beings can’t change sex.

SerotinaPickeler · 27/12/2022 09:55

59,149. So close to 60,000 so let's bump again. Tell your friends!

Slothtoes · 27/12/2022 10:00

In my experience people are horrified that any government would retain such a sexist, poorly drafted, shockingly misogynistic outdated law. It was obviously thoughtlessly set up to help a tiny number of midlife mainly MtF transitioners (so no provision for GRA holders to go through pregnancy and birth etc) That is ridiculous in a legal status that is granted for a lifetime irrevocably. Also ridiculous that you can’t get out of having a GRA certification unless you say it was fraudulently acquired and you basically lied to get it in the first place. GRA fails every test of basic consent.

All this was done in the early 00s, in a homophobic age before same sex marriage and civil partnerships were legal, when women had lower pension ages, and before there was an Equality Act. Back then having a GRA may have seemed like the only way to allow people to marry who couldn’t otherwise do so, (apart from the boring old lesbians and gays of course-they didn’t matter) because it allowed people to legally change sex. The GRA didn’t trouble itself with complicated things like definitions of what any of this transition or detransition stuff really means or how rights for people who want to transition could be ensured without negatively affecting other groups.

So now just twenty years later, with this shoddy law in place, GRA is being used as a justification to let men into women’s spaces and is massively misinterpreted due to biased incorrect lobby group trainings etc. That has already had a destructive chilling effect on so many related areas, like toilet provisions in public places or workplaces, or on the reliability of correct sex-based data collection and the provision of single-sex services.

The GRA is so poorly understood that it feels dangerous to keep it going- it has such draconian penalties for information-sharing that it probably puts GRC holders’ healthcare at risk. Some staff will be so terrified to say or write anything that acknowledges the biological truth in notes, that inappropriate treatment could be offered if the patient isn’t seen in person.

Without the GRA, the 2010 Equality Act protections would still remain in force for everyone, so it’s not about removing protections from discrimination. GRA should be removed leaving current holders their existing GRA status if they want it plus the provision to revert back to birth sex any time if they want that, which could be confirmed in another Act. Then GRA should be revoked to stop any more legal sex change certifications from being offered.

I honestly think that when most people see all that they will feel it’s a very concerning legal mess and will want Parliament to sort it out. Has anyone with a massive social media following tweeted the petition link yet?

ScrollingLeaves · 27/12/2022 10:19

Slothtoes · Today 10:00
Well said.

Update the equality act to make clear the characteristic sex is biological sex
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4668426-petition-update-the-equality-act-to-make-clear-the-characteristic-sex-is-biological-sex?page=1

Slothtoes · 27/12/2022 10:24

Also agree that the Equality Act needs to be reviewed, though I am frightened that under this Tory government they will take the opportunity to take out the Human Rights Act. Losing the HRA will be a disaster for women and girls on a scale that we’ve never seen in modern day UK.

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