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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Starmer and his 99.9%

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bellinisurge · 31/10/2022 13:48

The Labour leader is desperately trying to stay on the fence with his 99.9% of women are biological women schtick.

He repeated it in the recent MN interview.

Let me be clear, as he is so fond of saying, 100% of women are biological women. And as long as you keep pandering to this alleged "0.1%", we will lose the language we need to describe us, and we will lose the right to single sex spaces. Women are a sex class. And any attempt to pretend otherwise will fall over at the first scrutiny. And you will lose the election because you have manufactured an existential crisis for women. Try harder.

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Pinpot · 31/10/2022 13:50

Rubbish.

I would love to vote for Labour. I really would love to, but I absolutely cannot whilst the leader doesn't understand what a woman is. Total nonsense and makes it entirely clear that women's rights and protections mean nothing to them.

bellinisurge · 31/10/2022 13:53

He really doesn't get it. And he really thinks we are stupid.

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TheClogLady · 31/10/2022 14:03

Absolutely.

A woman is a female-sex human who has reached the age of majority.

You can’t become a woman if you weren’t conceived as a female zygote and grown through the female embryo, female foetus, female baby, female child & female adolescent stages.

Novina · 31/10/2022 14:06

It's the failed "logic" of the GRA: it's only a tiny number, so it won't make a significant difference to your rights.

minipie · 31/10/2022 14:08

What’s he trying to say with his 99.9% point? That this isn’t a big deal?

Well yes it is if that 0.1% are allowed into women’s safe spaces and sports. 0.1% is enough to have a significant effect on the women who have to share those spaces with them.

If they just let one man into a women’s prison for every 1000 women, or one male Olympic athlete into every women’s Olympic event, would he think that was ok? As it’s just 0.1%?

Not to mention the erasure of the meaning of the word woman as pp have said. Does dog still mean dog if 0.1% of dogs are actually cats? No it doesn’t.

bellinisurge · 31/10/2022 14:11

His 99.9 % point is that this is the number of women who are biological women. Blah blah blah believe in safe spaces .

Mr Starmer, it is your 0.1 % concept that fucks it all up.

And you notice he never says 99.9% of men are biological men. It's always about being in thrall to lady dick.

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JoodyBlue · 31/10/2022 14:17

I was very disappointed with the interview he gave Justine. There was a sense overall of being jolly on the sofa and oh so very considered and reasonable and just talking common sense to the mummies. When she raised the questions from GC women he looked to the female MP to answer first, nodding along. He gave zero indication that he had engaged at all with any of the issues GC women raise. They are serious issues. 100% credibility destroyed for me in that interview and on the back of it I could not vote for him as PM. It was not just what he said or didn't say. It was the general air of not taking the audience seriously. Put that in your focus group pipe and smoke it LP.

bellinisurge · 31/10/2022 14:19

If they think the Tories aren't going to go after them with this, they are kidding themselves. And the "oh, it's just bigots" position will fall apart at the slightest test.

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AutumnsCrow · 31/10/2022 14:33

99.9% of Keir Starmer is coming across as being majorly stupid over this. It's a stupid thing to believe. It's a stupid thing to say. He can't actually believe it, so he's a liar.

I dislike Penny Mordaunt for similar reasons, for balance.

And Ed Davey, Nicola Sturgeon and Plaid, Greens, WEP. They're asking me to believe shite that will damage me and my DD.

Just no.

WallaceinAnderland · 31/10/2022 14:35

If 99.9% of the meals he ate were nice but 0.1% was dogshit, would he still eat it, or does that small percentage make a difference?

BedTaker · 31/10/2022 14:42

Its just a percentage he pulled out of his arse anyway.

nilsmousehammer · 31/10/2022 14:47

Women are not transwomen. They can't ever be, they are female, it's the defining characteristic. Transwomen equally are not women. They cannot ever be, because they are male. They are transwomen.

It might have been possible once to separate sex and gender and to be nice about a polite fiction that women is a mixed sex group of females and this group of males who want to use the word for themselves. But that would have been dependent on those male people having sufficient respect and niceness in return to agree that female people are a sex class, with sex based needs that will sometimes need to be met as a separate group.

This has failed.

As a result, the possibility of a nice generous end to this is long since off the table.

RoyalCorgi · 31/10/2022 14:50

BedTaker · 31/10/2022 14:42

Its just a percentage he pulled out of his arse anyway.

Indeed it is! He's just made it up. The point about self-id policies is that any man at all can identify as a woman whenever he feels like it. There's nothing at all to stop every single man identifying as a woman, which would mean that only 50% of women are biologically female.

FemaleAndLearning · 31/10/2022 14:50

I thought he meant for 99% of women biology matters but for the other 1% doesn't because they are transmen. I didn't realise he was saying that 1% of women are men. He really is talking out of his little toe.

Findwen · 31/10/2022 14:54

Less than 0.1% of people murder, I don't think their effect on society should be ignored because they are a small percentage.

Girlsontour · 31/10/2022 14:56

Yep, it’s all this nonsense that will most likely add to the “Red Wave” expected in the national midterm elections. Here in the USA red is the Republican color, rather than the left (yes, I know, strange!). So many people are getting fed up about being openly lied to about what everyone can see is a man : Rachel Levine and Lia Thomas for example. People don’t appreciate being treated like idiots.

bellinisurge · 31/10/2022 14:57

I'll make it easy for you Mr Starmer: Transwomen are transwomen; Transmen are transmen. All individuals deserve to live in peace and safety and to do whatever their thing is as long as nobody else gets hurt. Everyone deserves healthcare that is appropriate for their biological sex. If transwomen feel unsafe in men's spaces, I'm more than happy to have my tax payer money spent on third spaces. Although men could do with more education about it to make them less bigoted. If they really want to, transmen can take their chances in men's toilets, changing rooms etc but they are welcome with women because they are biological women. Transmen are also welcome in women's sports as long as they haven't doped.
I will even tolerate healthcare info which says "women and transmen". I will not tolerate "cervix-havers" and other indecipherable bullshit.
And "non-binary" is deluded narcissistic nonsense. Happy for anyone to be a deluded narcissist but I will not change women's words and women's spaces to accommodate them.

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bellinisurge · 31/10/2022 15:00

"I thought he meant for 99% of women biology matters but for the other 1% doesn't because they are transmen. I didn't realise he was saying that 1% of women are men."
The transactivists try and pretend it is about accommodating transmen. It's not. It's about having language describing women and services for women that don't exclude transwomen because it cannot possibly include them. Because transwomen are not women.

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Thelnebriati · 31/10/2022 15:02

IDK where he's getting his facts from. I'd like him to explain, since he is using them to make up his mind on something that directly affects me.

FemaleAndLearning · 31/10/2022 15:06

He really needs to work o. His communication. I recognise this hard because words now have multiple meanings in some people's worlds. Absolutely this is all about men who say they are women. It is so blatant I am just aghast how so many women go along with it and are the foot soldiers. Many of those women are saying they are men or the daft non binary.
As lawyer trained how can Starmer reconcile those men that want to infringe the rights of women and girls. He is living in la la land.

nilsmousehammer · 31/10/2022 15:11

Thelnebriati · 31/10/2022 15:02

IDK where he's getting his facts from. I'd like him to explain, since he is using them to make up his mind on something that directly affects me.

The whole ideology is based on the belief that emotion and feelings create reality, not facts.

And that you select your preferred reality, by choosing the facts you like and blanking out the ones you don't, and then doing a lot of high handed fast talking, con artistry and marketing (much the same thing) and scolding/punishing so that as many gullible twits as possible believe what you tell them is the truth, and the stubborn bastards who won't are hopefully too scared to contradict you.

That is what this utter muppet has bought into. 'Facts' aren't something he does. This is my first and main reason why any party led by those with such a belief, should never under any circumstances run anything more challenging than a cupcake stall at a village fete.

Really, once you realise you're talking to someone insisting to you that some men are women and that 'only females have cervixes' is something that shouldn't be said, there is zero point in expecting them to make sense on any other subject.

nilsmousehammer · 31/10/2022 15:13

And now link that kind of marketing/manipulative/I will decide reality and tell you plebs what to believe thinking, to the utter arrogance you saw him use in his conversation with Justine.

bellinisurge · 31/10/2022 15:15

If he can't speak truthfully on this. If he has to pander to extremists in the party using stupid weasel words, why should I listen to anything else he says? Who else would he kowtow to if he was PM?
And , until Corbyn, I'd voted Labour since 1987.
I can't and would not vote Tory.
I remain politically homeless. And I would rather stay out in the cold than lie.

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BitOutOfPractice · 31/10/2022 15:20

I am starting to think that these threads are being started by Tory HQ bots.

Because anyone who thinks the Conservative party is a friend of women is deluded.

bellinisurge · 31/10/2022 15:25

@BitOutOfPractice , yes, daring to question the direction taken by the party I have voted for all my life makes me a Torybot. When you are eventually old enough to vote, you can pick who you like.

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