Starmer and his 99.9%

[bellinisurge]

The Labour leader is desperately trying to stay on the fence with his 99.9% of women are biological women schtick.

He repeated it in the recent MN interview.

Let me be clear, as he is so fond of saying, 100% of women are biological women. And as long as you keep pandering to this alleged "0.1%", we will lose the language we need to describe us, and we will lose the right to single sex spaces. Women are a sex class. And any attempt to pretend otherwise will fall over at the first scrutiny. And you will lose the election because you have manufactured an existential crisis for women. Try harder.

Clause 4, for younger viewers, was the bit of the Labour Party constitution that kept trade unions with a say over what the Labour Party did in government. It was why Labour stayed out of power so long despite the ravages of Thatcherism. Kinnock (and his replacement Smith who died young, sadly) eventually fought it off and that meant the Tories couldn't go after them any more on undemocratic trade union influence on government.
This feels like that. As long as Starmer keeps Labour in thrall to these Men's Rights Activists, it is vulnerable to even the most limp and disgusting Tory Party.

He’s hopeless

Starmers stating the situation, rather than a solution. Hes saying 99% of women are women because they are female, 1% consider themselves women, even though they are not female. (Although, as pp said, i dont know where hes getting his figures from)

Which, to be fair on him, is a lot clearer than a lot of politicians can express.

The problem is, just stating the situation isnt answering the question, or assuring anyone that hes going to come up with a solution. Its fustrating to get this far into the issue, and hes moved from 'we shouldnt say only women have a cervix' to '1% of men want to be in women spaces' and think hes nailed it.

@ZuttZeVootEeeVo you're right. It's a huge deal that he has even said this. But he's afraid to explain actual policy. He's just said "trust me, there will be a way to make this work ". And I don't.

I'm starting to think similarly about divisive figures such as Lily Madigan and Eddie Izzard.

Absolute gift for the Conservatives.

Mind you this thread and similar are very obviously populated with left wing women devastated that their party has completely forgotten its roots, purpose and senses.

Theres a sense that we are nearing an election, so any criticism of labour is seen as support for the conservatives, and to a lesser extent the other way round.

Which is ridiculous when you think about it given this really blew up here when everyone was concerned about Mays intention to review the GRA. As a group we are aware how absolutely useless each party is regarding womens rights.

I'm curious, has he backed up this claim with official studies or anything that can be receipted, or does he just feel its that proportion?

Absolutely. He was asked my question about how Labour justified criticising the lack of women in the current cabinet given that until a few days ago the Tories had their third female prime minister. Sadly, my follow-up about how Anneliese Dodds was able to calculate the underrepresentation of women at all, when she and her party apparently don't know what one actually is, wasn't put to him.

I’m sure Labour supporters would like this to be the case. But no not everyone is a ‘bot’

"I'm curious, has he backed up this claim with official studies or anything that can be receipted, or does he just feel its that proportion?"

Suspect his advisers have told him this is a smart way to play it. Anything to pretend this is about a tiny minority who are all like Haley from Corrie. Instead of it being about the majority of this country.

If we are boys we must be very sophisticated ones seeing as we agree and disagree with each other across a variety of threads!

Autocucumber thinks we are boys!

Which is ridiculous when you think about it given this really blew up here when everyone was concerned about Mays intention to review the GRA. As a group we are aware how absolutely useless each party is regarding womens rights.
You are aware that the Tories decided not to go ahead with reform of the GRA. And Labour have repeatedly said they would carry out reform?

We are doomed then! 😱

Haha it took me three goes to write bot 😂

Bellinisurge I resigned from Labour when Corbyn was elected and now vote Conservative for 3 reasons:
Firstly why should I disenfranchise myself, when the Tories are the only party not totally sold on this gender identity ideology and the only ones not to have accused me of bigotry when I have raised these issues by email?.
Do you really think the suffragettes would want you to not use your vote? By not using it, the MENz and the TRAS have won, they might as well have removed your right to vote like in the Handmaid's Tale.
Secondly because I can rely on them not to grant a 2nd Referendum and I live in Scotland and
thirdly because they are the only party standing up for free speech right now.
I won't be going back to the left either, they have not valued my support and disrespected my sex-based rights.

Agreed. I think posters here are often angrier with Labour because many of us are historically Labour voters. Also, the Conservatives are making the right noises, but they could stop men in women's prisons tomorrow if they wanted to, but they don't, so they may be talking the talk but they aren't walking the walk either.

I agree with this.

There is an extra layer of betrayal in how Labour have behaved. I expected them to be better and they’ve let me down (I’ve done hours and hours of leaflet donkeying and door knocking and election count monitoring for years and years).

Whereas my expectations of the conservatives were rock bottom so it’s easier to be grateful for small glimmers of hope.

I am extremely grateful for the Cass review, for example. Would a Labour government have done the same? I doubt it.

OP I recognise you well from the Brexit and Preppers boards! Like you, I'm now politically homeless and if anyone wants to scold me for being a Tory bot, well fill yer boots.

I am extremely grateful for the Cass review, for example.

As a bit of an aside, does anyone know for sure, with the 'receipts', which Tory minister/SoS actually finally ordered the Cass review to happen?

I've seen on here it was Hancock. Then I've seen it was Badenoch.

I know it wasn't Mordaunt, but she claims credit for everything after the fact.

Just musing.

It’s such a tedious feature of threads about Labour’s policy on women’s sex based rights that somebody turns up to tell us that the Tooooooooories don’t care about women, that we shouldn’t be such naive fools and that there are more important things to concern ourselves about. Calling us all bots is a new one, so slow handclap for some originality I suppose.

I am a member of the Labour Party. I’m well aware of where the proposal re self-ID originated. I am also aware that the Conservative Party walked it back and it is no longer their policy, and that from everything Starmer says with his obfuscating “we will modernise…” spiel it looks like self-ID is going to be Labour policy. Finally, yes I am aware that there are other issues. I do have the ability to be bothered about more than one policy area at a time. I also choose, as a Labour Party member, to keep trying to bring this issue to the top of the pile. It might not resonate with many voters now, but in two years when Jeremy Hunt has nicked more of Labour’s economic proposals and/or when more people have realised the wider implications of self ID, it may assume greater prominence.

I’d love to know but I presume the mundane reality is it took several people repeatedly pressuring whoever had the ability to sign it off (and they might not be familiar names),

As more and more teens are socially transitioning in schools (often middle-ish class* children in cosmopolitan areas) I would guess that more and more MPs of all parties are finding the issues landing on their own door step - if not their own children (although I note that Hancock, Badenoch and Mordaunt are all fairly young by Tory MP standards) then their grandchildren, or the children of their parliamentary and constituency staff)

*I’m not overlooking the gender distressed children who are in the looked after system btw, but those children have always appeared in the historical GIDS (and GIDS equivalent services in other countries) data rather than suddenly appearing in the ROGD cohort, which is the group that MPs may well now be noticing in their own private/family lives.

I don't know for sure but Nikki Da Costa who used to be the Director of Legislative Affairs at No 10 when Boris Johnson was there, has written several articles on the subject and probably was involved in making sure Johnson was fully aware of all the issues and not just the 'Stonewalled' civil service versions.
His off the cuff announcement while visiting a hospital that men should not be competing in women's professional sport....came as such a relief to the people on this forum....crazy that we had to be grateful for the PM publicly agreeing that TWANW. Lots of things seemed to happen from this point on.

Just checked and the Cass Review was announced by NHS England as long ago as September 2020.

Yes. Thats why i said Mays intention.