Woman harassed in women's bathroom by a gender critical woman who thinks she is trans, she is upset by the experience.

[MargaritaPie]

twitter.com/KatyMontgomerie/status/1586295024672808961

So you’re in favour of gaslighting victims then? Either it’s wrong or it’s right.

The victim is holding her phone in her left hand which goes nowhere near the sink

They were safer.

Are you familiar with the concept of "As Low As Reasonably Practicable"? Nothing can be 100% safe, but that's not an excuse for making things even more lax. In the past, a man going into the women's toilets faced a very real risk of being beaten up or arrested for doing so. Not now, all he has to do is to utter the magic words "I am a woman", and he can go where he pleases. He doesn't even have to be discreet about it, he can post it loud and proud on Twitter and get a standing ovation. What previously hesitant pervert wouldn't jump at the chance?

I admit that using TRA tactics back at them isn't exactly "when they go low, we go high". I am however tired of those who defend the indefensible using exactly those sort of lies and faux-innocent suppositions and fabrications.

"Might have been a witness" my arse...

No I haven’t. Out of 26 posts including this one, only 3 have been defending the OP by correcting libel said about her.

Thats possible, but not known for sure.

Source please for womens toilets being safer in ye old days.

She's definitely holding her phone in her left hand. You can see her swap it from right hand to left in the shadows as she walks from stall to basin.

Same thing happened to me with a dyke (that's not an offensive term I hope?) years ago. It was mortifying!

Luckily she found it hilarious and just lifted her top up to show us she had boobs😅

I’m not a TRA.

And what is indefensible about defending against lies said about another poster? You obviously hate Marge, but that’s not a good reason to let lies about what she’s said on other threads go unchallenged.

this was said about her
NotBadConsidering · Today 00:59
attempted to convince us that the images of the male person in a wig and skirt who exposed male genitals to children and then masturbated might not have been the images of this perpetrator, but may have been the victim instead.

when what she actually said was:
MargaritaPie · 27/10/2022 19:18
It isn't clear if the person in the photo is the suspect or a witness.

[the BTP appeal also did not specify male genitals, so that’s speculation]

Nonsense. There's barely a woman who hasn't escaped into the ladies to avoid a male.

So someone wrote "victim" when they should have put "witness". Minor detail that doesn't alter the fact that Marg was trying to sow doubt in people's minds and suggest that the unmistakably male person in the photo was anything but the suspect.

The woman doing the accosting sounds half-cut and out of order. The woman accosted should be upset with her, as well as the trans lobby, who've taken away the presumption that only women are in the women's toilets, making incidents like this more likely.

God you’re naive. If the man were intent on harming you, the 🚺sign on the door isn’t going to stop him at all. Didn’t stop the man who raped a woman in the toilet on a Southeastern train in East Sussex earlier this year…just do a search. Lots of not escaping going on in toilets.

Most men will think twice before assaulting a woman in room full of witnesses.

Minor detail? I’ve heard it all now. Whether a person is a witness or a suspect is a minor detail.🙄

Marg was trying to sow doubt in people's minds and suggest that the unmistakably male person in the photo was anything but the suspect.

Oh, but witness, victim, suspect that’s all minor according to you innit?

There is nothing wrong with posting on a thread the facts of what the BTP appeal actually states when the thread has become a hot bed of speculation and misinformation.

That's a single, enclosed space.

I’m not lying about MargaritaPie. I got it wrong about witness/victim that I corrected in a later post. I am openly saying that in my opinion MargaritaPie is a disingenuous poster who deliberately posts things they know aren’t true and can’t possibly be true, like attempting to claim Berkshire police could possibly have posted images of a male in a wig as being a witness instead of the alleged perpetrator of a sex offence. As a result, I don’t believe anything MargaritaPie says about anything, and I don’t believe anything Discovereads says about anything if Discovereads is determined to defend MargaritaPie’s posting history.

MargaritaPie is in my opinion, either disingenuous, or not very smart in believing the things they post, and you want to sue me for libel I will gladly produce exhibits A-ZZZZ as evidence and will call many other posters here as my witnesses.

As a result of this opinion, any OP started by MargaritaPie is greeted with great skepticism and cynicism.

As a result, I don’t believe anything MargaritaPie says about anything

No-one does. People think its a bot.

That’s a single example. Hoping you’ll you know, educate yourself instead of me spoon feeding you a dozen links.

This is an aspect of the whole "trans" debacle that women with more masculine features or builds have been dreading.

A close friend was recently asked (not in a female-only space) if she was a "real woman". Shocked and offended, she affirmed that she is a woman, only to have the ignorant idiot act as though she almost didn't believe her. My friend truly doesn't look like a man trying to pass as a woman. She's simply a very tall woman with an athletic build. These questions and reactions were hugely embarrassing and hurtful to her. She was already understandably sensitive about her appearance, after years of unkind comments from her peers, when she was younger. Now she's even more worried that people will openly question her sex. It's disgusting that she has to think about this.

I'm all for women having female-only spaces, but we need to be extremely careful not to hurt the feelings of other women in our efforts. We'd better be damned sure it's a man before we say a word, just as we shouldn't ask a woman about her "pregnancy" unless she's made it crystal clear that she is indeed pregnant.

😂

This from the person who thinks half a dozen witnesses aren't a deterrent, lol.

You agreed with my criticism of what you said about MargaritaPies post- you have retracted your claim that she said the person in the images was the victim, and posted yourself a “correction” as well in a later post.

But because I pulled you up on this one thing, I am apparently defending Margarita Pies posting history and so you are saying you will not believe anything I say…

But when your “corrected” version matches up with I said, apparently, you’re not defending margarita pies posting history and are to be completely believed?

Theres no “posting history” here. There is just me calling you out on saying Marg claimed the images were of the victim, me saying she didn’t say that, and you admitting I was telling the truth and correcting yourself.

Yet I’m not to be believed about anything, but you are?

This from the person who thinks womens toilets are always full of people. They’re never empty, not 24/7 never ever. 🤣🤣🤣

Now who is lying about the contents of posts? I said that the difference between victim and witness is a minor detail. Not victim and suspect. Marg was trying to deflect from the suspect, what the deflection was to is completely irrelevant.

And posting that the person in the photo might be a witness isn't "posting the facts" at all. It's wild speculation with absolutely no grounds at all. It doesn't stand up to a moment's scrutiny.