Do men recognise the sex of a stranger as well as women?

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I just saw an interesting thread on Twitter by Emma Hilton (@FondOfBeetles) and she vocalised something I've wondered about for a while.

twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1585706250989281280

From the middle of the thread -

So when we see men telling women that they should treat This Transwoman as if they were female, are they even seeing the same picture as us? When This Transwoman argues they “pass” and they clearly don’t, is this, ironically, a very male blind spot?

I think there's definitely something in it, I've spotted TW on TV many times when it's not been mentioned and my husband has mostly missed it. Something just tickles my brain and I can't explain it. I wouldn't say you can always tell, but there's definitely something that gives it away most of the time.

I assume they would have been transsexual back then? These days it’s transgender which is a very different kettle of fish.

Before people would try to ‘look/act like’, the new movement seems to encompass those who want to bully and abuse women whilst clearly demonstrating (ie playing the piano with their God given penis) that they - no matter what they say - aren’t trying very hard, if at all.

It's an interesting thread, and sometimes people like to play those games of guess the sex, but in the current climate we're past the passibility test.

Stonewall tell us not to assume anyone's gender, don't assume a man is a man because he has a beard, wears a suit etc.

We're in Emperor's New Clothes territory. We are told not to believe what we can see in front of us. We're told that that bearded man in men's clothing taking photographs in the women's toilets is a trans woman, that that male stand up comic is a female politician.

You have men who aren't interested in trying to be women, the "I'm trans" is such a basic lie to get out of trouble, and yet people believe it.

As far as I am aware, no woman has ever tried to play the piano with her vagina on television. This would not be natural behaviour for a woman. Why people think this person is a woman is beyond me.

I think men are more wired to be driven by sexual attraction so when a transwoman pops up on a TV quiz for example, their reaction tends to be "Whoah, Trigger"! rather than "Phwoar, darlin"!

I don't think they're as good at spotting transmen. We saw a clip of the pro-trans rally outside Holyrood yesterday and there was a transman with a banner saying something like "I'm trans and proud" and DH said "No you're not, you're a bloke" and I had to disabuse him. But I think it's because men just don't "see" women they don't find attractive unless engaging on a day-to-day non-sexual level.

To clarify what I mean, I think men are better at spotting transwomen than transmen as straight men don't pay much attention to a perceived non-threatening bloke and gay men will spot the transman as female in the same way that lesbians (and most women) can spot a male presenting as female ver quickly.

I'm fascinated by the subtle clues that I pick up on subconsciously. The other day I was driving along a country road and saw a figure approaching me in the distance. They were wearing an orange boiler suit and hard hat and had a coil of rope doing over their shoulder. I immediately clocked that they were female

Trans women have always used women's toilets, with no statistical evidence whatsoever that they are more violent.

More violent than whom @DadJoke ?

Male average, female average, population average? Because I wonder if you acknowledge the massive disparity in violence between men and women, particularly sexual violence. And if you can understand that the ability to be away from that is important. One of the many reasons single sex spaces are.

Here’s your first clue:

”Trans women have always used women's toilets, with no statistical evidence whatsoever that they are more violent.”

Transwomen are not ‘more’ violent. Not one person is arguing they are.

They’re statistically exactly as violent as other men.

And no men come with handy badges or labels for us to be able to tell which are the decent ones, and which are the ones who will harm us.

Which is why we need / want / deserve single sex spaces.

Thanks @OohMrBingley for pointing out the blindingly obvious to JokeDad - he really is refusing to see it, isn’t he?

I'd argue that men are worse. I know it is one example but 2.05 to 2.45 on this video - american male youtuber reacting to Culture Club's "Do you really wanna hurt me?"

I think everyone is arguing men are worse at it, @YouSirNeighMmmm