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Standing for women - Portland rally cancelled over violent threats

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ArabellaScott · 26/10/2022 13:59

Not quite sure what's happened - seems there were credible threats to women's lives over these protests.

twitter.com/StandingforXX

Now it seems a few women went ahead and met up and were attacked. (Nobody seriously hurt as far as I can tell)

twitter.com/ReduxxMag/status/1585012546766966784

Hoping everyone is safe and well.

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RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 31/10/2022 08:02

livvyposts · 30/10/2022 23:25

Regardless of who did what, I am starting to think that this was a bad idea. The US is crazy. A tinderbox, as someone put it.

It was certainly a bad idea to hold the event so close to a school, an art school at that. Or perhaps this was another one of Kellie Jay's genius provocations.

Look

i don’t know the full story, I don’t like people being hurt of threatened, I really hope that anyone hurt gets better very very soon and that if there is criminal activity that it has the full weight of the law behind prosecuting it

i think its weird that there is no evidence of this stuff…i think its weird that the ‘allegations’ and getting wilder and wilder….i think saying that burly, gun carrying looking security men are ‘strutting’ is daft

But even after all that i think this an art school at that is possibly the strangest thing I’ve read so far

Helleofabore · 31/10/2022 08:20

Anyway the truth will out in time.

Excellent. That is all many people want. The truth. Wonderful.

I think the most significant aspect of these events is that for all the talk in gender critical circles of safeguarding and no sacred castes when it really mattered - when a child alleges they were seriously assaulted - it all goes out the window.

How has it gone out the window? What are you saying? That women are responsible for the mob’s behaviour, and because there were high school students there with their principal walking around and saying on video that the women shouldn’t worry that the students will be gone by 1.30, that the women were responsible for those student’s actions?

And tell us, if any woman who spoke there had a child with them, would the mob just left or at least behaved peacefully and just chanted?

You continue to miss the glaring point. Women using their voice at a legal speakers corner type rally are not responsible for the mob’s inability to be tolerant, and not responsible for their lack of ability to display acceptable behaviour.

Instead of a comprehensive investigation and the woman accused being asked not to attend future events until that takes place we get at best an attempt to sweep the alleged assault under the carpet and at worse smears and counter claims against the victim

Where has it been said that the woman accused is not being investigated and has not been asked to not attend future events?

please link that up.

Showing video footage of a child spitting and generally participating in the mob activity is not victim blaming it is showing that this victim may well have been fully active in activity that would have brought them into contact with someone’s defensive move.

By the way, are we now hearing a poster imply that a 14 year old should not be expected to make the best decisions regarding what is harmful to them or not?

Well! Yes. Remarkably you will find many here who will agree. Yes. Yes. 14 year olds can make decisions that can harm them! We know. Many of us are parents.

So what is it that you think KJK and many of the speakers are there saying???

Kellie Jay and co's antics have blown a big hole in the credibility of the gender critical movement and no matter how things play out this won't be forgotten.

That is the thing. The truth doesn’t lack credibility. Your statement here lacks any credibility. But it rates very highly on hyperbole!

No ‘big hole’ has been ‘blown’ in the credibility of the movement that seeks to prioritise sex over gender where sex matters.

What has had a ‘big hole’ ‘blown’ through it, is how warped the use of the word ‘tolerant’ has become. It is really now an antonym of its former meaning.

What has had a ‘big hole’ ‘blown’ through it is any future claim that @MargaritaPie ever makes that they are concerned about the violence against women or that they don’t understand the effects of using the dehumanising turn of phrase as ‘the GCs’.

But it is laughable to think that this has ‘blown’ any hole through women’s momentum in this movement. Do you not think seeing this makes more women angry enough to now speak up themselves? Do you not understand that now more women have started to question just what the fuck is going on and start reading about it?

Whoever you are livvy, you don’t seem to have a grasp on how women’s movements work. Or how many women will see this and gain a clearer understanding of how much this group of people hate women who won’t just acquiesce.

But do keep posting because each twist you make shows how illogical and dangerously hypocritical some people’s thinking really is.

Helleofabore · 31/10/2022 08:24

And at this point, I have no idea whether this was a high school or college.

There was a ‘principal’ which led me to draw conclusions that could well be wrong.

It actually doesn’t matter.

BeyondsEnergyObsession · 31/10/2022 08:30
Confused security staff in the uk aren't DBS checked - they have an SIA licence.
Datun · 31/10/2022 08:34

Is mace spray legal in the US? Pretty certain it isn't here.

ScreamingMeMe · 31/10/2022 08:41

The students were teenagers. The alleged student who.posted that video talked about "protecting lower grade students" so I'm pretty sure it's a High School.

But yes, it is the school's responsibility to "safeguard" the children. Why were they just allowed to join/form a baying mob in a public square? Why weren't they in lessons? There were adults on both sides, with some obviously agressive men with weapons and pepper spray on the opposing side. Anything could have happened! Is KJK supposed to have thought "Wait, there's a school near here, maybe we should do some safeguarding in case the students come out"?

And what do DBS checks have to do with security, unless they're working at a school or similar? Presumably they have to have some sort of licence/credentials, but it has nothing to do with safeguarding.

I think livvy is possibly a bit confused about what safeguarding actually means.

ScreamingMeMe · 31/10/2022 08:42

Datun · 31/10/2022 08:34

Is mace spray legal in the US? Pretty certain it isn't here.

Yes it is in the US.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/10/2022 08:49

Exactly, the safeguarding fail here are the useless school staff who allowed the children to go into a dangerous situation. Would they equally let the children out to protest the proud boys with Antifa?

ArabellaScott · 31/10/2022 09:10

Noting that KJK actually asked the principal to take charge/responsibility for his students, and he shrugged.

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Abhannmor · 31/10/2022 09:15

BeyondsEnergyObsession · 31/10/2022 08:30

Confused security staff in the uk aren't DBS checked - they have an SIA licence.

Correct . And have no powers of arrest or detention. I worked for g4s for years , god help me.

Not sure about the USA. It varies between the states I'd imagine. It's a pretty violent place of course. You don't push or spit on people with impunity there.

ArabellaScott · 31/10/2022 09:30

I guess this is another example of women who should have been quiet around an education establishment.

twitter.com/BBCYaldaHakim/status/1586766008324214785

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Helleofabore · 31/10/2022 09:31

ArabellaScott · 31/10/2022 09:30

I guess this is another example of women who should have been quiet around an education establishment.

twitter.com/BBCYaldaHakim/status/1586766008324214785

Those are very very brave young women!

ArabellaScott · 31/10/2022 09:34

They certainly are. I think women over the world are a bit fed up of being intimidated and threatened and coerced.

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Smilelesstalkmore · 31/10/2022 09:35

Can I just get this straight?

KJK did one of her protest things near a school in the US, and the school principal allowed high school kids to come out and counter protest it and get caught up in anything that happened in it.

Even though KJK is apparently evil incarnate and creates a forcefield pulling in violent right wing extremists wherever she goes?

If I were a parent I would be fuming that a school headteacher put his students at risk like that, in a situation that was potentially very volatile. If he didn't have control of the situation why would he allow students to do that? Confused

Craeig · 31/10/2022 09:40

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Datun · 31/10/2022 10:27

ArabellaScott · 31/10/2022 09:10

Noting that KJK actually asked the principal to take charge/responsibility for his students, and he shrugged.

Ffs. Is that because they had no hope of controlling the students anyway?

TheClogLady · 31/10/2022 10:34

So MargeyPIE thinks women have a duty to safeguard the random students, but the school staff don’t have a duty to safeguard their students?

mPIE clearly doesn’t know what safeguarding actually is 🙄

antelopevalley · 31/10/2022 10:49

ScreamingMeMe · 31/10/2022 08:42

Yes it is in the US.

Bear mace is not legal to spray on humans. Jeanna Hich says on twitter she had bear spray.

antelopevalley · 31/10/2022 10:50

Although those pointing out that spraying children with bear mace spray is the opposite of looking out for kids are wasting their time.

antelopevalley · 31/10/2022 10:54

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 30/10/2022 23:11

livvyposts

I'm beginning to feel embarrassed for you. SFW women already did object to Jeanna's actions, just like you say that they should have. There's already been a public statement from them. I'll see if I can find it.

This is a quote from Jeanna

LIERRE KEITH! Watch the video. She & another woman approached me, not the man who maced me, to scold me. She didn't even ask me if I was ok, told me I instigated having to defend myself, told me I am not welcome at events if I don't sign NVDA, and then lied to KJK about...con't

twitter.com/JeannaHoch/status/1586475013078515712?t=DvfiUwqkgUb-5yej84dEPg&s=19

And since then she says she has had so much support Lierre Keith has had to back down.

Helleofabore · 31/10/2022 11:04

She, JeannaHoch, also says that the person spitting at her has admitted somewhere on video that they are over 18.

antelopevalley · 31/10/2022 11:08

Where is the video?

Helleofabore · 31/10/2022 11:22

Tell you what, why not go and ask her directly antelope. She seems like she answers people.

Is JeannaHoch the only woman from the group speaking (to be very clear for livvyposts) who reacted aggressively to the intimidation then? Is she the only one accused of behaving aggressively?

antelopevalley · 31/10/2022 11:26

ScreamingMeMe · 31/10/2022 08:41

The students were teenagers. The alleged student who.posted that video talked about "protecting lower grade students" so I'm pretty sure it's a High School.

But yes, it is the school's responsibility to "safeguard" the children. Why were they just allowed to join/form a baying mob in a public square? Why weren't they in lessons? There were adults on both sides, with some obviously agressive men with weapons and pepper spray on the opposing side. Anything could have happened! Is KJK supposed to have thought "Wait, there's a school near here, maybe we should do some safeguarding in case the students come out"?

And what do DBS checks have to do with security, unless they're working at a school or similar? Presumably they have to have some sort of licence/credentials, but it has nothing to do with safeguarding.

I think livvy is possibly a bit confused about what safeguarding actually means.

It was lunchtime. I do not know about this place, but I know in lots of America it is how it used to be in Britain in the seventies. Schools at lunchtime open their doors and kids go home for lunch or just off the school grounds if they choose to do so.

antelopevalley · 31/10/2022 11:28

Helleofabore · 31/10/2022 11:22

Tell you what, why not go and ask her directly antelope. She seems like she answers people.

Is JeannaHoch the only woman from the group speaking (to be very clear for livvyposts) who reacted aggressively to the intimidation then? Is she the only one accused of behaving aggressively?

I have seen a tweet from someone else asking her, but no reply.

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