Kemi Badenoch appointed new Minister for Women and Equalities

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And International Trade Secretary. I'd have preferred to see her as Secretary of State for Education in addition to Minister for Women and Equalities, but this is good news.

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It's amazing how so many women are happy to embrace dreadful people with disgusting voting records just because they support you on a single issue.

It's at best, misguided. Actually, I think it's fucking disgusting to be willing to throw everyone else under the bus.

Does anyone want to fling the word 'monstrous' or 'unhinged' or 'extreme' around any more? Any other ableist slurs? Oh, we have a few 'nutters', I see. Good stuff.

Has the tantrum passed?

Kemi seems to have the courage of her convictions. We need someone like that on the side of women.

Is not agreeing with hate crime legislation far right now?

I'm left wing and I don't support hate crimes. I support hate crime sentence enhancement for picking on the vulnerable or for particularly heinous acts but I don't think something should be a crime if committed against one group but not another.

Kemi Badenoch is wrong about just about every single aspect of policy apart from women's rights but she's competent and seems a good choice from a bad bunch.

Please could you link this? I can’t find her voting record on abortion - all I can find is her views being quoted and from what I’ve read it seems it’s being reported her views are the opposite of how she’s actually voted.

but if she doesn’t think women have the right to a safe, legal abortion, what is the point in knowing the definition of a woman?

Has KB said she doesn’t think women have the right to a safe, legal abortion? That does seem quite extreme.

from her voting record she seems to be quite anti-immigration or at least lowering it, her views on refugees aren’t exactly the most progressive, all of which are seen as generally socially to the right.

Ok thanks.

She has a pretty hands off view on the economy.

What do you mean by that? She doesn't really do economic stuff?

I'm happy to listen if people want to explain what makes Kemi so dreadful and disgusting and monstrous and evil. But all I'm getting so far is that she's right wing. Well yeah... she's in the tory cabinet. What did you expect?

It looks like a lot of people on the left really can't cope when a black woman has views they disagree with. The vitriol aimed at Kemi is extra.

I am not sure if its' just not being aware, but this implying that wanting to keep abortion legislation fairly close to what it is now means represents some threat to women's rights is very far out seems very naive.

In general most people, and most women, believe in restrictions on abortion that are something close to what now exists. And don't especially support the removal of all restrictions. In fact women seem a little more likely to feel that way than men.

Painting that as an extreme position doesn't really make sense.

www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25693/kemi_badenoch/saffron_walden

Ah, sorry, this is the full record: www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?id=uk.org.publicwhip/member/42180&showall=yes#divisions

Sorry I can't link from my phone but it was on righttolife.org. I googled kemi badenoch abortion and it was the first link.

Personally, I’m glad we have a GC person in this post for now. There’s two years to a general election. A lot of good work can be done in that time - such as moving prisons back to being single-sex. If done properly, those sorts of changes will be very difficult to undo. And I’m still hopeful the Labour Party will come to their senses so I can go back to being a serious supporter, rather than voting for them as a least-worst option.

I’ve looked at Badenoch’s voting record and she seems to simply vote with her party. Not particularly unusual. I agree with her assessments of critical race theory, as well as her opinions on hate crime legislation. I can think of far worse people for this post.

GC views are right wing? What makes the view that gender is an oppressive social construct which is designed to restrict the way that people behave, based on their sex, "right wing"? This is something that feminists have been saying for decades. Is feminism considered "right wing" now?

Oh. That aspect hadn't occurred to me. It maybe explains some of the yes, extra-super-vitriol. Grim.

There's a hell of a lot of adjectives being flung about but very little evidence of actual facts.

Her immigration ideas sound typically Tory.

We'd all be celebrating much more if this was Rosie Duffield, obviously.

You've got 14 yr olds being flown abroad for cosmetic mastectomies by their parents, and a man saying he's going to be an mp demanding she/ her pronouns in labour so to be someone who sees the harms in gender ideology is welcome as women and equalities minister.

She's not home sec.

What do you mean by that? She doesn't really do economic stuff?

No, more that she's more to the free market, job creation side of things, and less inclined to state transferring wealth.

The immigration thing is an interesting thing to see as extreme, even a lot of people on the left have increasingly acknowledged that it's a real issue, for example in terms of social stability. Governments that have refused to acknowledge that in other places have had some hard lessons.

I hope she enforces and insists on that legislation being used - in workplaces, prisons, schools, hospitals, refuges, therapy groups, sports, care homes and more.

This, we need actions not words. She needs to get all males out of prisons as a first step. The follow through with the above. I'm not a feminist. I'm a one issue voter on this. There are lots of feminist doing good work at grassroots and from top down, I'm not them. My energies are in fighting for the words, female and woman. If we can't define ourselves we can't defend ourselves. Sex based rights must return to what they were and quickly before Starmer the Woman Harmer and her lot get in.

Previous chancellor got that beastly too, didn't he.

Kemi is 'widely perceived' as right wing, that's may be as far as it goes.
As for her voting record, to me it says she may be a fervent Christian (anti gay marriage, iffy on abortion, ) married to a wealthy city type. (Pro-fracking).
However I do like her sane approach to the rights and safety of women and girls.
And she has allies in this within the Tory parliamentary party, Baroness Nicholson and Jackie Doyle Price for starters.
It's not looking as terrible as it could have done.

You mean in the way the TQ+ lobby have been hurling females and children under buses? Did you mind that? Or do you only object when it's people you care about who are not happy with their treatment?

The thing is, more balanced politics will not end in:

TQ+ people losing access to health care and being told they can't have urgent serious surgeries because of their beliefs (as women wanting sex based rights have)

They won't lose their jobs for being TQ+ (as women wanting sex based rights have)

They won't lose access to rape crisis help and refuges (as women wanting sex based rights have)

They won't endure their language being erased and their identities forcibly converted to what another group order (as women wanting sex based rights have)

They won't lose access to services and spaces that meet their needs (as women wanting sex based rights have)

They won't be arrested and locked up for sharing TQ+ beliefs in emails, social media, at political meetings (as women wanting sex based rights have)

The very worse may happen - I hope - is that female people and their sex based needs will be equally recognised and supported .

You are kicking off at the prospect of not being freely allowed to shit all over females and oppress them, and calling that 'being thrown under the bus. Fgs get a grip.

No, more that she's more to the free market, job creation side of things, and less inclined to state transferring wealth

Sorry I'm really rubbish at economics.

Isn't this a bit like labour?

Tories forever. Get in.

I’m not saying it is right wing, but I think pro-trans views are seen more as progressive, something that is associated with the left. I do think the general public see GC views as associated with the right. Perhaps this is because of the label of “terf” - by labelling people as exclusionary, you suggest that they’re not progressive and are more “traditional”, and therefore right wing. I agree that the view of gender as an oppressive social construct is associated with the left because it’s “progressive”, but because sex-based rights and gender-based wants conflict, an issue arises. As I said, left and right wing are subjective - I don’t think there’s a definitive label.

Some thoughts on 'Left' and "Right' politics.
www.thirdfactor.org/robinson-radical-centrism/

That's pretty much the opposite of leftwing/Labour, who would be likely to increase state spending and regulation which can (in theory at least) restrict free market. Leftie economics are more controls, more laws, more regulation, more tax, more welfare, more public spending, less chance of profits. Roughly.

Here's the 'buffer zone' bill:

www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2022-10-18c.617.0