Anyone following the James Esses vs UKCP test case?

[WomenShouldWinWomensSports]

Just seen this on DM website. So far he has won the right to sue and the therapeutic approach to gender seems to be the central issue: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11331573/Ex-barrister-wins-right-sue-kicked-degree-gender-critical-views.html
What happens next? Do they wait months and months for another hearing or do they tend to happen quite fast once the preliminary has reached court?

I thought it was obvious that Realfeminist was joking but it seems I was wrong. We have actually reached the stage where spoof and reality cannot be told apart.

@Awrite

I was just confused, but I'm ‘in it’ at the moment and I feel very confused. Almost like I'm in Alice in wonderland? Up is down and down is up?

PARODY IS DEAD. THIS IS AN EX PARODY

@RealFeminist

IM SO CONFUSED!!! 😭😭😭

Are you saying THIS PARODY IS NO MORE? 😂

RealFeminist is exactly that, unlike Nicola Sturgeon who claims to be one but actually isn't. Which is who is being parodied here.

@TheBiologyStupid

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Nooooooo. For goodness sake.

Ok so you are not alone. Other people on the course have witnessed and shared their opinion/observations. Hopefully you also feel fueled by the indignation of others here. And I can't think of anyone better placed to understand what you are going through than James Esses.

If I was being generous I wonder if the course leader is feeling vulnerable ... they are at risk of becoming a bit of laughing stock professionally...I don't know the circumstances in which they have shared their trans status ...this might once have been 'stunning and brave' but is now a bit of a credibility millstone.

Bottom line is you havent done anything wrong. We all need to engage with evidence and the absence of evidence.

Therapist the ass out of this meeting. Go slow, silence is your friend.

@Impossiblenurse

Really interesting reflection regarding vulnerable bit - I hadn't thought of that. The collective thinking is is that this person has experienced a lot of trauma and is now in a position of power and is extremely intolerable for any deviation from their own line of thinking.

I know Sparkly. The same! Not had the response you've had- just tumbleweeds. Still disconcerting. It doesn't make any sense!

@DameMaud are you in a similar field?

Similar. Yes @Sparklybutold . So I relate (sorry to be vague!)

Been following James Esses case out of interested interest. Glad you've made contact and had a response

This 100%

Glad to hear it @Sparklybutold

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That screams vulnerability to me. They have to keep everyone in-line because they can’t risk their own image of themselves falling apart.

At this stage I'm.compiling a response politely declining the invitation to meet to ‘see how I am’ pointing out that the conversation was within a confidential space and therefore uncertain and concerned why the meet is necessary? We’ll see what happens. Will keep you posted.

@DontAskIDontKnow

I am curious into whether I'm an easy target with everything going on? Going forward I just need to keep my mouth shut on this issue to just get through and qualify (literally 9 months).

Does this mean that someone breeched your confidentiality/privacy to report you? That’s alarming.

How do they end up teaching psychotherapy when in this state?

I've been seeing a psychotherapist for a few years, having tried counselling in the past. She's brilliant and has had enough of her own therapy to have thoroughly confronted her biases etc.

She told me that had to have her own therapy throughout her training, sometimes 2x a week. Presumably this teacher had same requirements when they trained? Or do not all colleges enforce that?

@SudocremOnEverything

From what I know a colleague went to the course lead (who is trans) to discuss the conversation that they found distressing. Despite the fact the colleague stating she did not want to disclose my name as I wasn't being transphobic but clearly stating the evidence behind the decision for why gender affirming care has been currently halted, such as via the CASS report. The course leader stated it was a fitness to practice issue and strongly advised them to disclose - so she did. I then got an email requesting a meeting owing to this 'concern' and to 'see how I was'. Ironically they also wanted to discuss another concern they had that I had discussed with another tutor how I felt unsafe in the space owing to previous incidences of breached confidentiality and unecessary escalation of events towards me and other colleagues. And here I am. Again. I will be politely declining the meeting outlining my concerns for the repeated breaches of confidentiality.

@CrispThief

I suspect they ticked a lot of boxes. They have since been promoted. I am at a complete loss as to why they are still teaching.

@CrispThief

Depending what training path you take dictates whether you have therapy or not. I'm on a BACP course so require 20 hours therapy throughout training, which I'm doing and will likely exceed - partly because of the stressors such as those outlined here.

I'm curious if you feel safe and able to explore what's happening (these stressors) in you own therapy @Sparklybutold ?

I'm wondering how someone with gender critical concerns and who has life/work impacts from these to bring to therapy, like you, would be met in therapy by, say, a BACP therapist who has been trained that gender critical belief is transphobic etc.

Would the therapist at some point feel the need to challenge you on your beliefs at all? Particularly if they feel strongly about it (and in a work/training culture that doesn't allow questioning and curiosity on the issue, then I imagine some would do)?