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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

917 replies

Imnobody4 · 19/10/2022 17:06

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11316141/Hospital-bans-sex-assault-victim-op-female-care-request.html

I feel quite sick at this.

She was stunned then to receive an email from the hospital's chief executive Maxine Estop Green telling her the operation was off.

She told her the hospital 'did not share her beliefs' and she should make alternative arrangements for her surgery.

The message added the hospital was committed to protecting staff from what it described as 'unacceptable distress'.

Emma urged them to reconsider, adding in a further message she thought they had misunderstood her requests, which she said were entirely within the law.

The hospital said it would offer a private room but would NOT facilitate her requests for single-sex care after her operation.

It also mentioned her comment about pronouns and said it had a responsibility to protect staff from 'discrimination and harassment'.

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TheClogLady · 19/10/2022 19:20

Lemonlady22 · 19/10/2022 19:10

No we are not, don’t speak for all women

Wow. Wild.

SantaCarla isn’t ‘speaking for all women,’ she’s giving her own opinion, you know, doing the very thing that chat boards and Internet forums were designed to facilitate?

You can tell it’s her opinion because she immediately proceeds it with the words, ‘I sometimes think’.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 19/10/2022 19:22

Usually there is only one registrar on call overnight who might be a man and there might not be a woman willing to swap into their shifts. Nursing-wise it should be easy to provide.

She said she was fine with male doctors.

She may even have been specifically trying to avoid being immobilised at the mercy of the wig wearing inappropriate nurse. It sounds like the eye contact was very unsettling to her - I’ve had that experience myself with men who turned out to be bad news.

ShineyCrab · 19/10/2022 19:24

Jackienory · 19/10/2022 17:43

Vote Labour and you'll get a lot more of this, enshrined in law.

Or keep voting Tory and soon private will be the only option.

jennakong · 19/10/2022 19:27

Jackienory · 19/10/2022 17:43

Vote Labour and you'll get a lot more of this, enshrined in law.

They're in a very strong position now so why don't they repudiate GI, cut their links with Stonewall, and apologise for the direction they've taken on this?

They can afford to lose some votes, and they'll probably gain more from the traditional left-wing women and working-class voters they've insulted and alienated over this issue.

But I suppose it's asking too much for Starmer to be courageous, isn't it?

Fools.

Theskyoutsideisblue · 19/10/2022 19:29

Bloody men dicktating . And yes that is intentional. I despair

catandcoffee · 19/10/2022 19:31

I'm absolutely gobsmacked at this.

I suppose the only good thing it's being reported in the news.
Once upon a time this wouldn't have happened.

BorisisaLune · 19/10/2022 19:32

Get real, there are 110k vacancies in the NHS, some filled with bank staff & 7m people waiting for an operation - what if everyone (male and female) said "i want same sex post op care"

When i had a nasty fall, i didn't say "that male paramedic can f off i want a female one, so i'll wait" or after the operation "no, i 'll risk infection and wait for 3 days for the dressing to be changed by a female"

Sorry but if you want that, go private.

geojellyfish · 19/10/2022 19:34

BorisisaLune · 19/10/2022 19:32

Get real, there are 110k vacancies in the NHS, some filled with bank staff & 7m people waiting for an operation - what if everyone (male and female) said "i want same sex post op care"

When i had a nasty fall, i didn't say "that male paramedic can f off i want a female one, so i'll wait" or after the operation "no, i 'll risk infection and wait for 3 days for the dressing to be changed by a female"

Sorry but if you want that, go private.

She did!

CompleteGinasaur · 19/10/2022 19:35

BorisisaLune · 19/10/2022 19:32

Get real, there are 110k vacancies in the NHS, some filled with bank staff & 7m people waiting for an operation - what if everyone (male and female) said "i want same sex post op care"

When i had a nasty fall, i didn't say "that male paramedic can f off i want a female one, so i'll wait" or after the operation "no, i 'll risk infection and wait for 3 days for the dressing to be changed by a female"

Sorry but if you want that, go private.

Get real and read the whole thread - this a matter of life and death for this woman and she did indeed go private.

Waitwhat23 · 19/10/2022 19:36

Sorry but if you want that, go private.

Oh, mate.

ShineyCrab · 19/10/2022 19:40

BorisisaLune · 19/10/2022 19:32

Get real, there are 110k vacancies in the NHS, some filled with bank staff & 7m people waiting for an operation - what if everyone (male and female) said "i want same sex post op care"

When i had a nasty fall, i didn't say "that male paramedic can f off i want a female one, so i'll wait" or after the operation "no, i 'll risk infection and wait for 3 days for the dressing to be changed by a female"

Sorry but if you want that, go private.

She did.

But that aside, the NHS is not free. It is a service we all pay for. It is a service that has allowed male HCPs to abuse women in the past and needs to respect that some women won't want males to touch them.

Datun · 19/10/2022 19:41

ScaryFaces · 19/10/2022 18:30

I seem to be the only person here who did. It tells a vastly different story to the Daily Mail article.

"We do not share your beliefs so we cannot adhere to your request, and have therefore decided to not proceed with your surgery."

These 'beliefs' are protected by law. You cannot discriminate on the basis of them.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 19/10/2022 19:46

BorisisaLune · 19/10/2022 19:32

Get real, there are 110k vacancies in the NHS, some filled with bank staff & 7m people waiting for an operation - what if everyone (male and female) said "i want same sex post op care"

When i had a nasty fall, i didn't say "that male paramedic can f off i want a female one, so i'll wait" or after the operation "no, i 'll risk infection and wait for 3 days for the dressing to be changed by a female"

Sorry but if you want that, go private.

Bit embarrassing

CompleteGinasaur · 19/10/2022 19:47

Sorry, crosspost!

I'd like to add that, as someone who has watched and suffered as my longterm partner died of colorectal disease, that this patient's desire for same sex care provision is no trivial matter. Patients know both the urgency of surgery and also how demeaning and humiliating some of the things your body can do to you can be (I remember helping her to clean up when she had vomited up faeces after a bowel blockage, for example). I cannot imagine prioritising a man's feelings over any small amount of dignity I could grant to a patient in these awful circumstances, they are already suffering, both physically and psychologically, infinitely more than anyone should ever endure.

travellingfamily · 19/10/2022 19:47

My reading of it is:

Woman wants single sex care. She writes to the hospital along the lines ‘may I request single sex care and by the way I don’t think transwomen are women so single sex means single sex please’

Hospital writes back ‘we do not share your values so we are cancelling the surgery’.

This isn’t really about what is possible (and I come down on the fact that it may well be impossible to guarantee single sex care - what if someone is sick and an opposite sex person has to cover?) - if the hospital had tried to engage better then it might have come down to that.

It is that they didn’t even try - they thought her values were wrong, and that was that.

TheClogLady · 19/10/2022 19:49

Waitwhat23 · 19/10/2022 19:36

Sorry but if you want that, go private.

Oh, mate.

😃

geojellyfish · 19/10/2022 19:51

travellingfamily · 19/10/2022 19:47

My reading of it is:

Woman wants single sex care. She writes to the hospital along the lines ‘may I request single sex care and by the way I don’t think transwomen are women so single sex means single sex please’

Hospital writes back ‘we do not share your values so we are cancelling the surgery’.

This isn’t really about what is possible (and I come down on the fact that it may well be impossible to guarantee single sex care - what if someone is sick and an opposite sex person has to cover?) - if the hospital had tried to engage better then it might have come down to that.

It is that they didn’t even try - they thought her values were wrong, and that was that.

Exactly this, which is a very obvious case of discrimination on the basis of her protected beliefs.

Waitwhat23 · 19/10/2022 19:52

travellingfamily · 19/10/2022 19:47

My reading of it is:

Woman wants single sex care. She writes to the hospital along the lines ‘may I request single sex care and by the way I don’t think transwomen are women so single sex means single sex please’

Hospital writes back ‘we do not share your values so we are cancelling the surgery’.

This isn’t really about what is possible (and I come down on the fact that it may well be impossible to guarantee single sex care - what if someone is sick and an opposite sex person has to cover?) - if the hospital had tried to engage better then it might have come down to that.

It is that they didn’t even try - they thought her values were wrong, and that was that.

100%

If they'd said 'we've considered your request and given staffing etc etc, it just won't be possible for us to offer that but here is (x,y,z) that we can offer', it wouldn't have been ideal, but understandable.

That wasn't the reason given. Despite some posters insisting that we have somehow misread the actual correspondence which have been screenshot onto a Twitter thread from the hospital.

It's ideological. Couple that with the ongoing complaint and it's even more unsettling.

OdeToOceans · 19/10/2022 19:55

I absolutely knew this would be the Princess Grace without even opening the article. It's well known with woke folk.

Moonatics · 19/10/2022 19:56

MacroTwigg · 19/10/2022 18:39

This isn't true of every trust. I work in imaging and rotate through breast screening. Our consultants are mostly male. They do the consultations, as well as being available for certain scans and aspirations/procedures etc. We, or course, always have female sonographers and chaperones available as well but not that many female consultants. We've noticed that not many women specialise in Radiology so may be why there isn't as many female consultants in the pool.

Great, that's me not going for bloody breast screening. Thanks for letting me know.

Milkand2sugarsplease · 19/10/2022 19:57

@Clymene are they hell all staffed my females.
I had a male do my screening and then a male surgeon do my breast surgery. If they've got the quals and a half decent bedside manner I couldn't give a monkeys whether they have breasts or a penis.
I've also got a good friend who works on rotation in the breast clinic and works with a fair few men

DewinDwl · 19/10/2022 20:00

BorisisaLune · 19/10/2022 19:32

Get real, there are 110k vacancies in the NHS, some filled with bank staff & 7m people waiting for an operation - what if everyone (male and female) said "i want same sex post op care"

When i had a nasty fall, i didn't say "that male paramedic can f off i want a female one, so i'll wait" or after the operation "no, i 'll risk infection and wait for 3 days for the dressing to be changed by a female"

Sorry but if you want that, go private.

LOL

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 19/10/2022 20:01

This is so fucking obscene I'm too angry to say anything but that if there is a crowdfunder to sue them I will be champing at the bit to contribute.

Clymene · 19/10/2022 20:01

Milkand2sugarsplease · 19/10/2022 19:57

@Clymene are they hell all staffed my females.
I had a male do my screening and then a male surgeon do my breast surgery. If they've got the quals and a half decent bedside manner I couldn't give a monkeys whether they have breasts or a penis.
I've also got a good friend who works on rotation in the breast clinic and works with a fair few men

As I clarified in my previous post, I'm talking about routine screening for women who don't have any concerns but who are invited for screening because of their age.

I wish I hadn't mentioned it now.

TheClogLady · 19/10/2022 20:02

Exactly.

A reasonable compromise would be ‘we got guarantee that all your care will be by an exclusively female team but we can provide a female nurse/chaperone so you will never be alone with a male’

It’s a private hospital so they could presumably supply a 24/7 rota of female chaperones (eg HCA) for the entire inpatient stay, hired in via an agency, with the additional costs agreed in advance and passed on to the patient (plus admin fee, no doubt!)