Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11316141/Hospital-bans-sex-assault-victim-op-female-care-request.html

I feel quite sick at this.

She was stunned then to receive an email from the hospital's chief executive Maxine Estop Green telling her the operation was off.

She told her the hospital 'did not share her beliefs' and she should make alternative arrangements for her surgery.

The message added the hospital was committed to protecting staff from what it described as 'unacceptable distress'.

Emma urged them to reconsider, adding in a further message she thought they had misunderstood her requests, which she said were entirely within the law.

The hospital said it would offer a private room but would NOT facilitate her requests for single-sex care after her operation.

It also mentioned her comment about pronouns and said it had a responsibility to protect staff from 'discrimination and harassment'.

All the more reason to have sex defined very clearly and absolutely in the EA. If the say so of the Chairman of the EHRC is not providing confidence that employers already have the right to provide single sex exceptions under the Act and so they won’t utilise those exceptions, they are pointless to have.

The fact that the assurances of the Chair of the EHRC end up meaningless compared to the advice of Stonewall is concerning.

But being legally a woman ( if the nurse has a GRC) does not make you female, and single sex exemptions still apply.

If I understand correctly both her surgeon and anaesthetist were men which she was ok with, so it isn't even about wanting female staff. She just had an issue with the possibility a staff member might be trans.

Replace "trans" with literally any other minority group and the narrative would certainly be very different.

It's unconfirmed if the staff member who "made eye contact with her" was even trans at all.

Big difference between a surgical team and intimate care (eg bed bath, help with toileting etc) post op.

I don't know if donnawinters genuinely doesn't understand the issue, or if they are being purposefully contrary and missing the point on purpose?

Suspect the poster is here to promote men's rights (on a feminist board)?

Do you always tell women that they are hateful for wanting another female doing their intimate care?

You seem to be rather ignorant of medical care if you cannot tell the difference between a surgery and intimate after care. But thanks for showing readers just how ignorant and bereft of empathy or even logic that extreme activists have. Those who insist that women have to accept male people as being 'women' just like them.

Not only that, you seem to be ignorant of the difference between 'male' and 'minority'. You have just weaponised minorities and their needs to leverage the demands of male people. This really does lack coherence and, indeed, consistency when reviewed in context of safeguarding female people.

So, well done and thanks for the live demonstration.

This is the very simple truth. What a disgrace — and enforced by supposedly caring health professionals.

Hard agree. There is no way on earth that that man who barged in did so accidentally, it was a power play pure and simple.

Got it in one. For someone in medicine at any level they have seen it all before so giving a man a bed bath is no different to a woman etc

It's not really about whether the member of staff 'has seen it all before'. You're focusing on the staff member rather than the patient. The patient would prefer that a male isn't the person who washes her vulva, anus and breasts (i.e. providing what is referred to as 'intimate care') while she is vulnerable and conscious.

Can you really not see the difference between this and being unconscious under anaesthetic?

And yet... that is from the health care provider's perspective and NOT from the patient.

But hey.... don't worry about those patients and their needs, you know... patient led care. Just tell the rape victim that they have to accept what they get and fuck their needs!

How would you phrase that by the way? Would it be 'yes, I hear you. I understand that you are rape survivor, but the reality is that your needs don't count. We need to give you a bed bath and believe us... as a male health care provider I have seen it all! Don't worry, you haven't got anything that I have never seen before so you'll be fine. Being a traumatised rape survivor makes NO difference to me at all! No... no... I have to bathe you. That is my job. Why are you making my job so difficult!'

Would that be like the conversation you would think was appropriate? Reassuring the rape survivor that the male about to touch her intimately without her consent that 'they have given bed baths to many women who have never complained. And they 'have seen it all before'?'

Another great example of posters giving a live demonstration of just how people supporting extreme activist claims think.

And yet we don't actually know if the staff member in question was actually trans or not, the patient presumed them to be from a brief moment of eye contact?

Easy for the hospital to deny then.

The patient saw a male person in the doorway, wearing lipstick.

If the staff member is simply a male person who likes lipstick, and who does not deny his sex or expect others to do so, then PGH had plenty of opportunity to reassure Teresa of that.

And staff don’t generally barge into a private room, eyeball the patient then walk out without saying anything. Odd, no?

And why have you focused on this?

It makes no difference to the fact that she asked for female only care and was denied and actually had her surgery cancelled.

To focus on the nurse is a distraction.

And yet we don't actually know if the staff member in question was actually trans or not, the patient presumed them to be from a brief moment of eye contact?

I don't know about you, but the sex of most "trans women" is blindingly obvious to me.

And yet we don't actually know if the staff member in question was actually trans or not, the patient presumed them to be from a brief moment of eye contact?

Maybe he wasn't, but the issue is that the hospital proceeded to deny her life-saving healthcare.

I know there is no comparison between someone wanting their intimate care to be provided by someone of the same sex and a racist, but do hospitals refuse healthcare to racists or do they just say that they cannot insist on their treatment being provided by one particular race?

@Helleofabore when healthcare is on its knees providing trans should not even be a discussion. It is about saving lives.

This is a private company we are talking about, they choose to protect their staff from views that they do not support good on them. If they had supported the movement that gender has to be genetic you would be all sing their praises.

She could have gone back on the NHS waiting list who would have accommodated her views as best it could. Instead she tried to bully a private company by going to the press.

Please. Do keep on posting as this really does show the complete lack of empathy for women and girls need's and the prioritisation of males.

I really do think your posts do a great job.

If a hospital showed that it accommodated both the woman's need for single sex care (which is available under the law we have been told, that patients can refuse care from anyone and make requests for single sex care) while also providing a work environment that did not discriminate against staff for their trans identities, then yes, we would be giving them plaudits.

You seem to think that all male staff should be free to ignore a female patient's request for single sex care.

And you have again shown you have not a shred of empathy for women and girls who are sexual abuse and rape survivors. Seriously .... well done...

The regulations around single sex healthcare apply to all providers, private and NHS:

The Health and Social Care Act 2008 (Regulated Activities) Regulations 2014: Regulation 10
• 10(1) Service users must be treated with dignity and respect
This states providers must have regard to the following guidance:
• When providing intimate or personal care, providers must make every reasonable effort to make sure that they respect people's preferences about who delivers their care and treatment, such as requesting staff of a specified gender.

Only 10% of nurses are male. There is no need for any woman to receive post operative care by a male nurse, no matter what his identity.

Yes, there seems to be a misconception that private companies don't have to adhere to the Equality Act. It rather caught CGD Europe and Garden Court Chambers out, didn't it?

I'm referring to the act of discrimination against her protected gender critical belief, rather than the specific laws covering healthcare mentioned by Clymene, which are also key.

Make every effort is key. All it take is for the charge nurse that night to be male along with the reg covering the ward. You then need a procedure that requires intimate care say a catheter or suturing of that region as an emergency. What are you going to do? A) disturb another ward to find a female or b) accept gender doesn't matter? What if a male does it with a chaperone, is that acceptable?

What about breaks, should staff breaks be organised so she doesn't have to have care from a male in an emergency. She asked for a guarantee that isn't going to happen. She also asked for information staff shouldn't have to give about biology.

It's not about rape or abuse survivors being forgotten it's about practicality and changing view on gender. Personally I don't see males and females differently considering all can rape and abuse. It's things like this even being positively discussed that open avenue to refusals based of race or religion. We are all the same