Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11316141/Hospital-bans-sex-assault-victim-op-female-care-request.html

I feel quite sick at this.

She was stunned then to receive an email from the hospital's chief executive Maxine Estop Green telling her the operation was off.

She told her the hospital 'did not share her beliefs' and she should make alternative arrangements for her surgery.

The message added the hospital was committed to protecting staff from what it described as 'unacceptable distress'.

Emma urged them to reconsider, adding in a further message she thought they had misunderstood her requests, which she said were entirely within the law.

The hospital said it would offer a private room but would NOT facilitate her requests for single-sex care after her operation.

It also mentioned her comment about pronouns and said it had a responsibility to protect staff from 'discrimination and harassment'.

If you are religious, you are not a feminist.

It is even more bizarre.

It is if you believe that females have the right to practice a legal religious belief of their choice, their needs are to be dismissed and not supported.

Because feminism!

It is quite clear that some posters who post here are not even trying to be feminists while vilifying feminists.

Misogyny is hard to disguise isn't it.

I vote “shpadoinkle”

Oops.

Too much multi tasking

It is if you cannot believe that females have the right to practice a legal religious belief of their choice, and if they do, their needs are to be dismissed and not supported.

It is definitely a belief of entitlement and superiority that females may only have prescribed beliefs or be forced into Better Ways by Better People.

Hi General Custer!

I may not agree with what you believe. (I really, really don't agree.) The fundamental difference is believing that I don't have some highly weird and creepy right to control you and make you Be Like Me. I can respect you having autonomy and engaging in whatever beliefs you want, you do you.

I like shpadoinkle.

I've just seen the phrase 'flinging shit about like a demented chimp' on another thread and that has to be a high contender too.

It is if you cannot believe that females have the right to practice a legal religious belief of their choice, and if they do, their needs are to be dismissed and not supported.

They always out themselves - not just by the sneering or bad faith posts or inability to follow an argument or desperate derailing. It's a deep rooted contempt of and hatred for women that always rises to the surface.

It's a deep rooted contempt of and hatred for women that always rises to the surface.

Yep.

It cannot be twisted away. It is right there and easy to see by everyone despite others thinking it is not there at all.

Plus ca change.

You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the arse.

The TRA ploppers are doing exactly the same thing on threads like this that ‘Steph’ (of Steph’s place) has done on twitter today, trolling and goading Women to try and put us in our place and also because they can.

It's almost as if they hate women isn't it BorgQueen? So ironic.

I’ve just read the whole thread and I hope this is something many women stumble onto. It’s a real eye opener.
The position of females not being allowed female only care because it upsets some males is horrendous but the racism and misogyny used to back this assertion is something else.
I’d actually like to thank @landOFconfusion because you make it so easy to see which side stands for what. You cut through all the feelings of discomfort created by a lifetime of “be kind” and “prioritise male feelings”.

It boils down to:

“Women, fuck off and let the men get on with what they want. Religious women, fuck off even more.”

You are going to peak so many women, @landOFconfusion . Thank you.

If a woman who was a victim of the scientology cult requested female-only medical care; partly as a result of the trauma she suffered, and partly because pretty much any human has at least some need for privacy from the other sex; should she be allowed to have it (subject to resources) or should she be refused treatment on the grounds that the hospital disagreed with her views?

I see my original point has - once again - been overwhelmed by the usual dogpiling of forum users who are determined to outdo each other with their performative peacocking.

So here is my point again: The right to hold religious beliefs does not exempt or protect those beliefs from criticism.

The apparent willingness of some posters here to write blank cheques protecting all religious beliefs provides a chilling insight into how imagined dystopias like the world im Margaret Attwood’s The Handmaid’s Tale might come about. Creating excuses for religions that abuse and limit the lives of women is not feminism.

It’s so sad to see people attempting to defend the indefensible because somebody they don’t like has made a reasonable point.

Nothing against you at all, pet. It's just that your 'reasonable point' has been multiply debunked. Try reading the posts again on the past two pages.

So here is my point again: The right to hold religious beliefs does not exempt or protect those beliefs from criticism.

This is a thread about a woman being discriminated against by a hospital because of her legally-protected (as of Forstater v CGD) gender critical beliefs. The right to criticise religious beliefs is irrelevant to the topic of this thread. Please stop derailing.

"It’s so sad to see people attempting to defend the indefensible because somebody they don’t like has made a reasonable point".

Oh no - now it's emotional blackmail. 😁
Haven't a clue who you are - merely going by your words on this thread. You promote a colonialist and offensive view of women's rights to religious belief. You are fully entitled to that view - and women on here are fully entitled to analyse and reject your opinions. Given your lack of knowledge presume you're not from the UK so just to enlighten you:
For all our many faults, our laws uphold people's rights to religious belief - and religious belief is one of our protected characteristics. Suggesting (as you have done) that women of faith are not allowed the dignity and respect afforded by same sex intimate care is seen as pretty repellent - as you've discovered.

Maybe an online forum like pistonheads would be more to your taste rather than a board of predominantly women?

The right to criticise religious beliefs is irrelevant to the topic of this thread

yup

I wasn't initially going to engage with the derail but I cannot let this logical fallacy and smear against feminists who support single-sex spaces slide.

Creating excuses for religions that abuse and limit the lives of women is not feminism.

Creating single-sex spaces and services is not "creating excuses for religions". It enables women living under the oppression of religious patriarchy to, amongst other things,

• access healthcare without the controlling menfolk telling them "no, you get to die of cancer because we won't let you see a male doctor"
• use swimming pools without the controlling menfolk saying "you don't get to swim and be fit because we don't want you in a bathing costume around strange men"
• get away from the controlling menfolk and talk to other women without being overheard by men and be able to start organising against FGM, DV, and other atrocities
• secretly obtain contraceptives that the controlling menfolk would not allow them to have if said menfolk were sitting in on the consultation as "chaperones" because the doctor or nurse is male

"Honour killing" murders happen even in this country when the controlling menfolk decide that a woman has "brought shame on the family" and mixing with strange men is a very rapid way for a woman to "bring shame on the family". How is removing single-sex services, with the effect of forcing women to choose between accessing healthcare and risking murder, a "feminist" act?

It’s funny you bring up a handmade’s tale. And i agree to an extent that conservative extremism could bring that about. But have you considered that extreme liberalism could bring about a different kind of dystopia off left entirely unchecked?

No belief is above criticisms, I'm not trying to be supercilious but I'm assuming that includes belief in Gender Identity.

Of course, discriminating against someone because of their beliefs is a completely different kettle of fish.

Indeed, surely feminism is about giving women the freedom to choose what they do with their own lives.

Feminists can choose to wear pink, just as they can choose to wear green. No need to fit into society's boxes.

Creating systems that allow women of all religious backgrounds to fully participate in society is exactly what Feminism is for.

ALL women have a right to request a same sex HCP, including atheist women.

Mad that someone is actually trying to argue that women from certain religions should be prohibited from accessing medical care on the basis of said religion. Are the men from those religions also prohibited from accessing medical care or is this anti religious bigotry reserved for women?

What a shit show!

I can criticise the way that many interpretations of Islam impose restrictions on the way women live their lives.

That doesn't mean that I would deny medical treatment to a woman who wanted to follow those teachings.

So here is my point again: The right to hold religious beliefs does not exempt or protect those beliefs from criticism

Irrelevant. We are talking about the rights of people to access healthcare, not whether you're allowed to write blogs critiquing the tenets of a faith. For the latter, go on and fill your boots. Type all you like. If your writing is good enough, maybe you can get a book deal and be published.

But you don't have the right to punish women of faith by denying them access to healthcare, and we will not allow you to pretend that having religious convictions or a religious background makes women Unpeople. It does not make you a better atheist to claim that those who don't subscribe to your faith in gender identity philosophy should be pushed out of society. It merely makes you a new shade of religious sectarian.

If you are religious, you are not a feminist.

You can be religious and still expect to receive urgent medical care. You can be a Brexiter, a Tory, anti abortion. You can not be a feminist, but it's still discrimination when your critical planned surgery is cancelled on ideological grounds.