Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11316141/Hospital-bans-sex-assault-victim-op-female-care-request.html

I feel quite sick at this.

She was stunned then to receive an email from the hospital's chief executive Maxine Estop Green telling her the operation was off.

She told her the hospital 'did not share her beliefs' and she should make alternative arrangements for her surgery.

The message added the hospital was committed to protecting staff from what it described as 'unacceptable distress'.

Emma urged them to reconsider, adding in a further message she thought they had misunderstood her requests, which she said were entirely within the law.

The hospital said it would offer a private room but would NOT facilitate her requests for single-sex care after her operation.

It also mentioned her comment about pronouns and said it had a responsibility to protect staff from 'discrimination and harassment'.

@Coyoacan

No hospital can guarantee all female or all male care because emergencies happen, staff can be sick, and quite frankly, not all hospitals have enough staff to provide this request, often there's only one consultant of a specialty available (or in the case of surgery they need the only 2!) How would you like it if a man refused a female dr on the grounds that they were female? Only medical qualifications count.

With aftercare a hospital can try but not promise. Intensive care is always mixed too

How would you like it if a man refused a female dr on the grounds that they were female? Only medical qualifications count

I imagine men from strict religions have the same need for same-sex care.

I worked in a care home in the seventies and in those days there were very few male nurses. It broke my heart that elderly men had to receive intimate care from women. Such a loss of dignity.

Of they were ‘that’ religious they would go to a facility that catered to them.

How would you like it if a man refused a female dr on the grounds that they were female? Only medical qualifications count.

Isn't the point to not cause additional distress to a patient? Not to make a political point?

Isn't this exactly the same as Mridul Wadhwa telling female rape victims that they will need to 'reframe' their prejudices against males providing care?

How would you like it if a man refused a female dr on the grounds that they were female?
Why shouldn't men be able to ask for a male or female doctor? I don't think patients of either sex should have to disclose abuse to get the care that suits them, and without worrying about the hurt feelings of medical staff.

She literally said that she would see a male doctor

There is no point whatsoever saying 'what if a man didn't want a female doctor' because it has no relevance to this case

Of course men should have the right to same sex care, if they so choose. However, this would be on grounds of privacy and dignity only, as safety from female HCPs is not really an issue for men. If only it were the same for women when being treated by some male HCPs.

How would you like it if a man refused a female dr on the grounds that they were female?

Well the inclusive, kind, patient centred thing to do would be to value that they have their reasons and that this needs to be supported for them.

Because if they're stressed or unwilling to engage in care that is very bad for my patient

and it's not about me and my political jollies, it's about me doing a job to provide care.

Plus, having had diversity training and some experience of the world I am not ignorant of the varied reasons as to why we may have a patient with those needs and why they need to be supported, and I'm not a complete arsehole who doesn't care.

The threat to those women is their religions.

If we're thought experimenting, how would I feel if I had to provide care to an activist covered in badges and clothes proclaiming their wish to rape and murder females who want single sex spaces or to be homosexual?

I'd provide the exact same care as I would to someone who was nice and basically civilised in their approach to women and homosexuals,, and I'd do it as a matter of pride while accommodating and caring for their needs to the best of my ability. It's called duty of care and being a professional. And believing in actual equality.

Are you deluding yourself that you are saving them from religion when you support forcing them to accept a male nurse washing their vulvas?

Oh! Thank you!

Where was that poster who wanted evidence that women's beliefs and faiths are being targeted as a barrier to male sexual freedoms and disrespect and dismissal of those women justified on the grounds of 'yucky religion not Like Me and Other RIght Thinking People' with absolutely no awareness or care for the reality of those women, their needs and their equality whatsoever?

Here it is ^^

I wrote a simple and true fact.

Nothing more and nothing less.

You are attempting to argue with a fact. Go outside and touch some grass.

Good catch.

looks like some posters have forgotten that they are supposed to be intersectional ‘feminists’ and not male sexual activities activists.

The threat to those women is their religions

So those women are guilty of wrongthink and the consequences should be no access to medical care.

What are the survivors of sexual assault guilty of?

Twitter-ese won't help you here.

Answer the question. Do you think it helps women of faith to force them to accept a male nurse washing their vulvas?

Looks like some posters have forgotten that religious beliefs shouldn’t be defended when they are used to cause harm to women and undermine their autonomy.

Perhaps this is too sophisticated for you, but when you think someone has an abusive culture, you don't rescue them by being a bigger stick!

If you cared about women's autonomy, you'd be on our side of the argument..

I’m not rescuing anyone. I’m making simple statements of fact.

And because people are so eager to refute everything that I write, they are attempting to argue against facts.

Good luck with that. No amount of sophistry can stop a fact from being true.

What's this fact you're stating? I haven't seen you state a fact @landOFconfusion

So what is your solution to help these women?

That they abandon their religion. Today.

That in fact they switch to your religion which is better. (Gosh anyone reminded of colonalism yet, the kids kidnapped from indigenous people so they could be taught civilised ways)

Where would you like these women to live tomorrow when - if they can - they perform this on the spot abandonment of lifetime values? Because they'll have to leave their homes, families, friends. In some of those faiths and cultures they won't be allowed to take their children. Some will be beaten up or worse for mooting that they wish this.

Who is going to be there for them when they make themselves more palatable to your oh so superior tastes?

If you knew or cared about these women you would know the slow, steady ways that were in progress for years and years to help them in a way that would actually help them. It involved things like the women only swims so some of the most vulnerable could access community activities and be allowed to be out of their homes and away from that control, talk to other women, learn English, begin to experience some of the options available to them.

All that was shit all over by males who wanted those swims and groups for their own validation - white, able bodied, educated, affluent males incidentally from the kind of faith/culture background you'd see as the Right Type - who have driven those women out of those groups and opportunities and couldn't care less.

And here are you using this as a crass 'gotcha' to justify punishing women by refusing women health care when they won't put men's sexual freedoms first.

'Facts' my arse. You have no facts, you have a hell of a lot of prejudice and either a lot of naivety or a lack of capacity to care about women other than in how they can better serve men.

Anyone want to add up all the discrimination and prejudice actually in 'stop your yucky foreign religions that I don't approve of'.

We've been knee deep in ageism on several threads, I think we've got racism and religious intolerance here.

Gosh the 'kindness' and 'inclusivity'.

No, you will not rescue anyone. I'm glad you're honest about that.

This is the position that you are supporting- you are saying that religious women should choose between their beliefs and access to healthcare. This means that religious women, contrary to the Equality Act 2010, will be systematically excluded from access to health care. By the way, this will likely also constitute indirect discrimination on the grounds of race.

Is this kindness? Is it accepting diversity?

Looks like some posters have forgotten that religious beliefs shouldn’t be defended when they are used to cause harm to women and undermine their autonomy.

The only religious belief they hold that you are interested in is the one that cock blocks males.