Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11316141/Hospital-bans-sex-assault-victim-op-female-care-request.html

I feel quite sick at this.

She was stunned then to receive an email from the hospital's chief executive Maxine Estop Green telling her the operation was off.

She told her the hospital 'did not share her beliefs' and she should make alternative arrangements for her surgery.

The message added the hospital was committed to protecting staff from what it described as 'unacceptable distress'.

Emma urged them to reconsider, adding in a further message she thought they had misunderstood her requests, which she said were entirely within the law.

The hospital said it would offer a private room but would NOT facilitate her requests for single-sex care after her operation.

It also mentioned her comment about pronouns and said it had a responsibility to protect staff from 'discrimination and harassment'.

And again…

I'm just going to scroll past the posters who haven't bothered to find out what's going on here and are insisting on making it about their personal hobby horses.

@rufus except that’s not what she said.

She said in writing she didn’t want males in the room. Had she requested no males doing personal care that would be a totally normal thing to request (including no trans identifying males). Read her email - she’s not saying I don’t want a male washing my vulva she’s saying no men anywhere near me other than doctors.

im all for women saying no men helping me get washed or dressed or Doing catheter care and am actively working to make this a reality where I work. This is standard stuff. Patients who request this are informed that we will do our absolute best to honour this request, that due to staffing it isn’t always possible and that in an emergency they will get whatever professional comes first, if they are conscious they will be asked if they want this male involved but if they have arrested for example they get the crash team as it comes and they won’t stop to find a female staff member before sticking the defib pads on. We have female only bays but they have male cleaners/handymen/pharmacists/physios etx. A request for female only personal care does not include all of these people being female, let alone the male relatives of the other female patients.

She also said she didn’t want to use “pronouns” - not clear if she means she didn’t want staff to refer to her by (her) pronouns or if she didn’t want to refer to staff by their preferred pronouns - this isn’t a standard request.

Do you work for the hospital, are you a TRA or are you just stupid? Because for some reason you can't seem to understand that the operation was cancelled because the hospital didn't "share [the patient's] values." They wrote it out in an email to her. It could not be more plain and simple to understand.

This is a great post, which bears repeating.

She said in writing she didn’t want males in the room

And they said, in writing, they have cancelled because they dont share the same values. It is in black and white, it's so clear you can see it from Mars.
All this shite about wanting but not getting female only care (in 2022 ffs) is pointless drivel. Because they cancelled BECAUSE they have different values.
It's as illegal as it gets.

With regard to her views - they don’t state the values that she holds thay they find objectionable.

Perhaps they don't agree with her views about poached eggs on pizza? Fancy dress outfits for cats? How many times a bourbon biscuit should be dunked in coffee?

Or it is perfectly obvious, reading the email, that they object to her request for single sex intimate care and particularly object to her having to point out the utterly obvious point that female means an actual female. Particularly given that the second paragraph specifically says 'I appreciate this is not the communication you were expecting to receive, however HCA is committed to protecting our staff from unacceptable distress and we believe the cornerstone of good patient care is based on mutual respect and trust'.

They don't actually state staffing levels, difficulties with arrangements or limitations in terms of shift patterns at all.

Is their initially email vague and weird - yes.

Not even the slightest bit vague. Weird, discriminatory and threatening - yes.

And here's the point that many posters are sticking their fingers in their ears and singing 'lalalalala!' to avoid....

The initial email did not say 'we are sorry but upon considering your request, it won't be possible due to staffing etc etc.' It was stated quite baldly 'we do not share your beliefs'.

I mean, you can continue to 'lalalala' with your fingers in your ears if you like, but it starts to look ridiculously, deliberately disingenuous.

I mean, you can continue to 'lalalala' with your fingers in your ears if you like, but it starts to look ridiculously, deliberately disingenuous.

This tends to happen when you identify as your personal internal reality being the real one against the objective, evidenced one.

She said in writing she didn’t want males in the room

she said ….i will accept male staff entering my room ONLY if they are qualified doctors unless by prior agreement with me

so its exactly what she said

and as other posters pointed out, it really doesn’t matter what she said …they cancelled her operation because she ‘didn’t share their values’ and they very very very stupidly put that in writing

Not meaning to derail but this is why so many women want all female care when they receive intimate procedures. Sadly he's one of many:

www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/14643000.highly-manipulative-groping-gynaecologist-jailed-eight-years/

Basically she just wanted to be asked for her prior consent to which males saw her when she was in a very vulnerable state. This would have only needed a female caregiver to ask her first before they came in for the first time.

What a heinous request.

It's really weird that people are getting hung up on what constitutes a reasonable request, when it's the unreasonableness and discriminatory motive for cancelling that's the problem.

It's all about what the hospital has done, and fuck all about the what the woman has done.

You can criticise her till the cows come home. It's fuck all to do with it. She wasn't discriminatory. She didn't cancel a life changing operation.

They did.

It is their behaviour that is wrong and illegal. Not hers.

Whether you agree with her or not, unpicking her motives, requests, or tone is a total waste of time.

if a woman was fired from a job because she is black, and her boss wrote that down in an email to her. Would you start unpicking her behaviour. She didn't contribute to the birthday fund? Her timekeeping was poor?

Jeez.

Absolutely …..so our imaginary male cleaner , handyman , pharmacist, physio, and didnt we have an electrician 🤔 would have probably been ok in the patients room if she’d been told about it BEFORE they came in

AND

as long as none of those imaginary males (fucking busy room i gotta say) were giving her intimate care

Funny you should say that, Rufus. I was once in a separate room on post-natal due to complications. A handyman did come in- but a midwife asked me first. This was the NHS, too.

She acted as if it was completely routine to ask.

"Absolutely …..so our imaginary male cleaner , handyman , pharmacist, physio, and didnt we have an electrician 🤔 would have probably been ok in the patients room if she’d been told about it BEFORE they came in"

I wondered what had happened to Village People!

A handyman did come in- but a midwife asked me first. This was the NHS, too

noooooooooo

surely not, how incredibly unreasonable of her…quite obviously every fucker should be allowed in your room with no introduction whatsoever

Proper lolled, scared the poor dog sat next to me.
Thank fuck we still have humour.

thread from twitter

As we wait for news about the female patient who was discriminated against by Princes Grace Hospital for asking for female post-of nursing care, we've been wondering whether the rules are different for Muslim female patients. I just spoke in confidence with someone who knows
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PGH is a private London hospital and as such, they get quite a few Female patients from wealthy Middle Eastern countries. However, this hospital refuses to give a written guarantee that female patients who have longer stay will receive female-only intimate care they asked for.

The very wealthy patients bring their own personal care assistants and nurses hired in as extra - ostensibly for confidentiality but really to guarantee female only care.
The less wealthy now go to other countries because since the GRA they don’t trust what "female only" means.

TWAW ideology at the hospital has driven much of their "Gulf business" away. A while ago, a wealthy Muslim female patient had surgery in Cairo. When asked why she left London and it’s fancy clinics, she said because PGH wouldn’t put in writing guarantee of female only care.

PGH said they would only aim for it and compromise via chaperone if time dependent. Her female relative had female only nursing after her surgery but she wanted a written guarantee for herself.

Several other female family members travel to Beirut and to UAE to get actual female only guarantees for intimate care. None of these women believe that men who have F on their documents become female.

Previously, as many as 50% of the PGH patients were Arab (from Gulf or London). Now it's less that 20%. Although NHS work could account for some of this, it is felt that the GRA has significantly contributed to the reason wealthy Muslim women self-exclude from this establishment.

twitter thread

And in the NHS you kind of expect 72 different trades needing to come in because, well, NHS and underfunding.
Private hospitals not so much.

More than that, she was incredibly apologetic, as well! It didn't even feel as if I was obliged to say "yes, of course he can come in".

😀

This is shocking in a number of ways, but evidences two things that really upset me:

Muslim women are disappearing from health care because of this need of males to never encounter boundaries from females

Privacy and consent are becoming the province of females wealthy enough to afford it.

Which will leave the rest of the female population two options - have no boundaries, males do whatever they fuck they want and you'd better shut up and smile, or if you're not lucky enough to be able to cope with that? You get no health care. You may get however police threats (and Starmer's talking about making it a lot worse than that) if you dare to say anything. Or if you turn up, find you're faced with an untenable situation and try to refuse. Which will mean increasing numbers of females from vulnerable populations will just not put themselves in harms way and stop presenting for health care. It will have become inaccessible to them.

What do all the lovely, kind, leftie socialist inclusive diversity badge wearing champions of the poor think of that?

Well now @PurgatoryOfPotholes , isn't that the most interesting Twitter thread you've posted there.

How long will any institution, a hospital anything else, keep up their TWAW nonsense when financial reality bites?

Privacy and consent are becoming the province of females wealthy enough to afford it.

yes it is rather stark when you see it, isn’t it ?