Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11316141/Hospital-bans-sex-assault-victim-op-female-care-request.html

I feel quite sick at this.

She was stunned then to receive an email from the hospital's chief executive Maxine Estop Green telling her the operation was off.

She told her the hospital 'did not share her beliefs' and she should make alternative arrangements for her surgery.

The message added the hospital was committed to protecting staff from what it described as 'unacceptable distress'.

Emma urged them to reconsider, adding in a further message she thought they had misunderstood her requests, which she said were entirely within the law.

The hospital said it would offer a private room but would NOT facilitate her requests for single-sex care after her operation.

It also mentioned her comment about pronouns and said it had a responsibility to protect staff from 'discrimination and harassment'.

Oh ffs.

You can't see both sides. You haven't even seen one side.

Read the fucking thread.

Debunked multiple times, RTFT.

Absolutely, which is the whole point of the thread

The misogyny is off the scale. Maybe it's time mum's net went female only

As @PurgatoryOfPotholes says, you won't see a doctor doing a bed bath helping the patient on the toilet etc because it's not a doctor's job to do those things.

I didn't see my surgeon again (post yesterday refers) after seeing him in the prep room pre-op (fine by me, he was an arse. A good surgeon but an arse) because I was in an NHS hospital and he was most likely up at the private hospital where he also works.

It was the nurses and, to a lesser extent the physios, who were important on the ward to me, the patient.

Posters who are saying 'ha! Theresa didn't mind a male doctor but rejected male nurses - no logic there!' are just like Katy Montgomerie who can't seem to see the difference between being interviewed by a male journalist and receiving intimate care from a male hcp.

What world do some people live in?

What world do some people live in?

A male world.

I haven't read it all, and I won't read the daily mail but what comes to mind is what does she define as "care"...so most hospital porters are male..would she class having her bed pushed care ? What about the people delivering food and drinks..the pharmacists
Most nurses and HCA are female but what about physios,radiographers?
Most private hospitals have resident medical officers ..doctors who stay over night ..if she had a need for immediate medical intervention that would be a resident medical officer, most are male. The hospital would be in a serious situation if a patient deteriorated or came to harm because a male doctor was told not to treat the patient,and they all stood and waited for a female consultant to arrive.
In real life we cannot always have things exactly as we'd prefer. It's not unreasonable to request female healthcare workers for intimate procedures or personal care.
But thinking more widely about what constitutes care .you start to see it is somewhat more complicated.

I haven't read it all

maybe start with that.

This.

Apologies..haven't had time so maybe my points had been covered
MN used to be a place to debate and a place people could safely express a thought,opinion etc without others being rude.
I didn't say the person in the article was at fault or wrong I was merely expressing thoughts about the complexity of demanding single sex care ,and the definition of care .it could mean many different things to different people.
Seems I'm being naive to think discussion can be civilised online

No, the discussion has taken place. And all your points have been addressed numerous times.

If you don't want to read the Daily Mail, read the patient's emails to the hospital, and its replies, directly, here

twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1582761032686051329?t=B-e8lLYLGMqbS-AtoPNlxQ&s=19

For anyone new to the thread, we have already covered:

• we (/women) should all be grateful for what we get and not ask for more;

• the hospital may not have been able to provide single-sex care [and therefore they were right to cancel a life-saving operation at short notice, without discussion];

• if only the patient had been less clear abrasive in the way she asked, she could have avoided all this;

• the patient being happy with a male doctor performing an operation on her (in theatre, with a team) means she should be fine with a male performing intimate care, alone, when she is conscious and vulnerable;

• "she should have gone private" [spoiler: she did]

• businesses can deny services to people they don't like, on any grounds [spoiler: no, not without breaking the law, they can't]

Oh, and

• "she said she wouldn't use pronouns but she said 'I', ha ha".

Have I missed any?

I haven't read it all, and I won't read the daily mail

Well then you don't know what you're talking about. Why do you think you have anything useful to add when you haven't even bothered to find out what's going on?

Ooh, that was not the formatting I intended. Apologies for all the white space.

@Theredjellybean - this is page 18 of this thread. You can't seriously imagine your points haven't already been thrashed out? And thrown out.

The legislation specifically refers to the example of a group offering services to women who have suffered sexual assault, being able to lawfully exclude male-to-female people because of the effect it could have on the women.
I can't see that is very different to the hospital case.

Quite.

You are not usefully adding anything when you haven't understood the situation in the first place.

This is becoming a 'cancel the cheque' situation.

Apologies I've read the full thread now. It's unacceptable for any professional to barge into the room while a patient is having a private procedure. There was no trying to compromise with the patient they just flat out denied her. I did find her emails abrasive but the hospital have just denied a woman serious surgery without trying to negotiate!

I do get annoyed when there's short staffing and you end up with more work because of your sex. I personally don't decline care off men because of this.

Seems I'm being naive to think discussion can be civilised online

Out of interest, is there an offline situation where you can walk into a group of people who are clearly in the middle of a long, involved discussion on a serious topic, say "I won't read the thing you're talking about and didn't listen to what's already been said, but here's my opinion", and be treated as gently as you were here?

If anyone's demonstrating rudeness that you could put down to online anonymity, it's the person barging into an established discussion, not the people suggesting that that person should get up to speed before contributing.

I don't know why stating that you don't read the daily mail is such a thing. I quite often read articles from the DM, the Times, Telegraph, Spectator, Economist, Spiked, Quillette, the Guardian as well as the occasional professional journal.
I watch the BBC news sometimes, ITV, channel 4, Al Jazeera, CBS, even, when we could see it, RT.
That doesn't mean I believe that any of those sources are superior or accurate. It just means that I think it is useful to see what is being said where and by whom.

I mean to be fair I am much more forthright on this board than I would be face to face, partly because it's anonymous but also partly because there is a culture here of resisting the female socialisation that tells us we must be nice and polite and conciliatory all the time. I'm not saying anyone should be mean (and this board is policed for "not in the spirit" much more heavily than, say, AIBU) but the culture of speaking the truth without having to couch it all in timorous femininity is performing a useful piece of feminist education in itself, I'd say.

Then you're extremely lucky not to have PTSD as this particular woman does, and so not having to face that you may be put in a position where you cannot receive medical care because you don't happen to be one of those privileged women that can accept intimate nursing care from males.

Ffs.

She really should just quit being so inconvenient and go and die somewhere quietly shouldn't she?

What really fucks me off is the absolute muppets who think like this and would joyfully refuse her care would wang on to you at great length about their delusion of being Leftist voters who are all about inclusion, diversity, kindness and in very great detail about their virtue. Whereas they are the ones crueler than any others when it comes to prejudice, discrimination and an absolute failure to put any actions near the values they love the feels of identifying as having.

Hypocrisy and self delusion on crack.

Totally not ok that a member of staff (of any sex) barged in on a consult/exam, worse that it was a male.

Also patients views on gender should not affect the hospital offering care

but hospital cannot “guarantee” female only care though. Say they do have it all lined up the op goes ahead and then a nurse gets covid and calls in sick and the agency can only find male replacements….what do you then do with that patient that needs care? You might manage to get an all female team but then something goes wrong with the operation or the recover and you need someone from another team and they are male - I don’t think there are any female echocardiogram technicians where I work for example - an echo is something you could conceivably end up needing post op due to complications and involves the breast area being scanned….I would be very very nervous working with this patient - far too much to go wrong.

It happens to men as well - 20s male patient with torsion of testicle. Me the junior and the reg both females as was the anaesthetist - he was told frankly either you let a women examine and then operate on you or you loose your balls (torsion is a situation when time matters)

Yes, isn't it liberating! To be able to say what's on your mind, without beating about the bush or being considered rude.