Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11316141/Hospital-bans-sex-assault-victim-op-female-care-request.html

I feel quite sick at this.

She was stunned then to receive an email from the hospital's chief executive Maxine Estop Green telling her the operation was off.

She told her the hospital 'did not share her beliefs' and she should make alternative arrangements for her surgery.

The message added the hospital was committed to protecting staff from what it described as 'unacceptable distress'.

Emma urged them to reconsider, adding in a further message she thought they had misunderstood her requests, which she said were entirely within the law.

The hospital said it would offer a private room but would NOT facilitate her requests for single-sex care after her operation.

It also mentioned her comment about pronouns and said it had a responsibility to protect staff from 'discrimination and harassment'.

Re: the questionnaire, I don't think she was saying she'd refuse to use other people's preferred pronouns, was she, just that she wouldn't use them for herself or engage with questions that used the word 'gender' incorrectly?
I wonder if the questionnaire was supposed to be confidential, as they often are?
Any time I get asked to fill in a form and there's a question like 'what's your gender: male/female/prefer not to say', I write (if possible) 'My sex is female'. I do so assuming that it won't have any consequences for me, medical or otherwise, but now I have to wonder about that.

I think the real issue here is a person (whatever their sex/gender/appearance) coming into an exam room without permission and leaving a patient exposed to an open corridor.
I find it interesting, in light of this, that the hospital thought it appropriate/wise to put down in writing that they were cancelling her surgery on the basis of not sharing her beliefs.
I will watch developments with great interest. I think they've messed with the wrong person.

Ugh. Who the fuck wants to imagine their doctor crying tears of joy because they've been allowed to examine them intimately.

It's like a fucking porn film.

Right up to the point where this individual even acknowledges that the women the individual is examining may not even realise they're a male.

I can't believe they even wrote it down. They are so wrapped up in their own weirdness and validation, they don't even see these women as human beings.

A lot of my patients were quite conservative — many female patients wore long clothes, or the hijab — but they allowed me to examine them despite my change.

christ. See a boundary, walk straight through it, and then celebrate that afterwards

She told her the hospital 'did not share her beliefs' and she should make alternative arrangements for her surgery.

This is beyond a disgrace.

They said no because they dont hold the same values. Or the patient does wrongthink. Not because they couldn't provide for her, because they dont like her thoughts/beliefs call it what you will.

If they said no because we cant guarantee women (cunty type) then se wouldnt be here.

Yes. It's never about how many women will provide validation, it's about targeting those who won't.

I think both parties could have handled it better. The legalese letters were probably a red flag to the hospital but they shouldn't have cancelled the operation without speaking to the patient. I presume their lack of willingness to do so was the desire to have it documented in writing, rather than over the phone.

Why would they want to have it documented in writing that they were breaking the law?

They said:
"We do not share your beliefs and are not able to adhere to your requests and we have therefore decided we will not proceed with your surgery."

This is clearly discrimination on the grounds of belief.

Right up to the point where this individual even acknowledges that the women the individual is examining may not even realise they're a male.

I can't believe they even wrote it down. They are so wrapped up in their own weirdness and validation, they don't even see these women as human beings.

Women are just props and extras, as the much missed AngryAttackKittens once put it, in "The Amazing Story of Me".

This is the clearest, most concise way I have seen to describe the behaviour of the unknown member of staff who just happened to barge into a room with a closed door on a colleague doing pre-operation assessment checks, and then made eye-contact with the patient instead of retreating as discreetly as possible.

"A patient hardly sees their surgeon."

This is correct.

I had a minor op once. In the operating room you won't see the surgeon at all, it will just be the anaesthetist and a nurse. The surgeon will enter after you have gone to sleep, and when you wake up it will be in the recovery room.
You will see them in the waiting area before the op and maybe after, which is a large area with lots of other patients and staff.

Absolutely not my experience at the Princess Grace hospital - more 1 on 1 contact with tbe surgeon than any other member of tbe healthcare team

Superb and so on point as ever @Datun, THIS is what going along with ideology MEANS, all the TWAW chanters and BeKinders this is what you are supporting.

Even on this thread people's experience varies widely.

And it may well be different with private health. I had the same surgeon both privately and on the NHS on separate occasions. He was vastly more attentive and friendly when I was paying for his time.

Unsurprisingly.

Like hell no-one would know - if that was the case there would be none of this pronoun nonsense.

I saw a post from a woman on Twitter who said that her husband retrained as a nurse the moment he transitioned.

And as well as Mridul Wadhwa at Edinburgh Rape Crisis who is legally male and pursued a change in career to work specifically with women who are survivors of male sexual violence, there is another transwoman working in a secure women only mental health unit in Sussex whose name escapes me.

I don't believe these are coincidences.

No matter how much you're paying, I can't see a surgeon at a private hospital doing a bed bath, or helping a patient to undress to use the toilet at 3am.

there is another transwoman working in a secure women only mental health unit in Sussex whose name escapes me.

Rachel Dios, who was on a panel about "sexual safety" on locked mental health wards.

I had a minor op once.

Yes, Margarita I imagine the vast majority of posters on this thread also have.

Was just going to say similar

The last few operations I've had I've seen a lot of the surgeon, same with ds1 but they were private

I cant begin to imagine needing a very serious op which entails days in ICU highly dependent on total, full nursing care and immobility,

when at the same time you have PTSD and can be thrown into a state of dissociation, re traumatising, serious physiological and mental difficulties, by someone 'triggering' you. And 'triggering' being another word appropriated and dandled around until it's meaningless: it does not mean 'a bit emotionally upset'.

If you as a survivor of assault are going to be immobile, feeling at your most defenceless and vulnerable, unwell, in pain, utterly dependent on permitting a stranger to intimately care for you and clean you? You're already in a very, very difficult situation to be faced. If male people are your trigger? And then you're told that if you don't make an exception and pretend that some male people are women because they want you to do so? And that if you don't figure out somehow how you can cope with the trauma and fear and distress and possible serious physical consequences to your recovery in order to stroke this male person's ego that they got to be different to other males and not have to respect your boundaries you don't get to be helped at all?

Ffs what are these people doing in patient facing care? It's sociopathic to have this little capacity for basic care and empathy.

Quite.

It will be the nursing staff who does all that.

I mean, I wouldn't mind, but it's completely normal for a woman to want another woman to do that kind of care.

And almost the worst scenario would be where you're expected to treat a man as a woman because he says so. It's pure gaslighting.

At least if you knew there was a lack of resources and they were reluctantly providing a male and everyone was apologetic, you know that you are being taken into account and everyone is sensitive to the issue.

Not so with a man who says he's a woman. It is you who is expected to take him into account and to shut up about your own boundary violation.

I mean let's just way up the unequality of expectations here?

Female Patient, you may absolutely not have boundaries that may offend or emotionally discomfort one of our staff. Suck up your PTSD and consent to us triggering you left right and centre without any boundaries, meet the emotional needs of our staff as your priority, or you can go without care and good luck with the awful consequences.

That member of staff however is not required in any way to give a fuck about you or your feelings and needs.

Female Patient, you may absolutely not have boundaries that may offend or emotionally discomfort one of our staff. Suck up your PTSD and consent to us triggering you left right and centre without any boundaries, meet the emotional needs of our staff as your priority, ...

Or, if they are a transwoman with a paraphilia, 'the sexual needs of our staff'.

Ah yes. This doctor. Red flags everywhere there. Celebrating being able to examine female patients 'intimately' than they had been allowed before.

I can see this from both sides , if you haven't got the staff available of the preferred sex what do you do.
I've was on shift when many females were refusing care from males increasing my workload massively while he was twiddling his thumbs. Pissed me off so personally no I wouldn't refuse care from whoever could give it.