Graham Norton has terminated his Twitter account after attacking JK Rowling

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Well that's one less beardy man on there defending rape and death threats.

Exactly he didn’t mention the rape and death threats at all.

That was part of the problem.
Silence is endorsement.

If you call Cancel Culture ‘accountability’ you condone it.
That means you condone all of the death and rape threats and all.

He didn't attack anyone.......if anything JK made herself look ridiculous by taking his words out of context, what he said could have been interpreted in many, different ways.

I agree with this.

Norton did not attack Rowling, what a load of drama about nothing - this kind of post is just emulating the right wing press and using the same inflammatory tactics.

No. Calling cancel culture accountability means you condone it, warts and all.

Because if you listen to the question that Mariella put to him it was about people being upset about JK Rowling in the lead up to finishing the question.

Maybe he didn't mean it about women being cancelled, but he then did not clarify that he was not talking about J K Rowling or other women when the question was initially about JK Rowling.

I agree with this up to a point. There's one group he failed to mention...

And because he's a bloke in a patriarchal society it doesn't occur to him to include women as one of the groups that should be spoken to rather than him.

I mean I get what you're saying but I think the accusations are differently charged, When people say that Graham must support the rape and murder of women, I think very few people actually think that he does, it's more of a "what do you mean JKRs view are problematic because she's only ever spoken about trans rights in relation to women's safety/fairness?"(and he won't explain) where as when people say JKR supports the rape and murder of transwomen they literally mean she wants transwomen dead, they've even said she's directly responsible for suicides, that is the difference

I disagree. I don't think you need to endlessly clarify everyone you don't mean in an argument or risk someone publicly accusing you of supporting the rape and murder of women, just absolutely not.

He literally said listen to trans people and not celebrities.

But he's a celebrity

And when people say online that JKR supports the murder of all transpeople, I'm sure that very few people actually think that she does (even those who disagree with her). Doesn't make it acceptable to press send on that tweet though, does it?

Feyrethefae

Sure, we can disagree.

I think you have minimised the fact that the presenter asked questions and mentioned Joanne Rowling specifically two times each on different questions.

You can disagree that then leads the watcher to believe that the answers are linked to Joanne Rowling and what Joanne says.

I and others will continue to disagree with you. Have you listened to the relevant section that I provided a transcript for?

That was his whole bloody point. Don't ask me, ask experts. I'm just a chat show host, ask people who know what they're talking about.

No, I don't think many people actually think he supports rape and death threats.

It's that he hasn't bothered to find out what it is he's opining about.

He's given an opinion on something that he doesn't realise does include rape and death threats.

How, exactly, does he think these women become cancelled??

Threatening their livelihood, wearing them down, getting them arrested, telling them you're going to come after their children, telling them to suck your dick, or you hope they die of being punched in the ovaries, brandishing bloodsoaked or spike covered weapons.

How the fuck does he think you get cancelled.

This is how.

Yes, I have, I saw the interview when it did the rounds on Twitter. Whether it was the entire thing or not, I'm not sure. I'm happy to be told that I'm wrong about Norton mentioning JKR in the first place.

My opinion stands that JKR is wrong for posting what she did on Twitter and that she is doing to Norton what she says is done to her. It's hypocritical.

’Cancel culture is not consequences for actions though is it? Consequences for actions is used for things like, if you steal you have to say sorry and return what you stole. It assumes you did something wrong. People who support cancel culture misapply the concept of ‘consequences’ and ‘accountability’ to ‘reframe’ their bullying campaigns of harassment.

They are bullies who follow the old school bully tactic of blaming their victim for why they are being bullied.

hhhmmm I'm not sure I agree with you there, they sure act like they believe that or want other people to believe that she does anyway.

I think with Graham Norton, what is true is that he doesn't care enough about women to really think about why JKRs posts are not problematic. But again if he's not going to say what he means then of course people are going to look at JKRs tweets (the ones people have issues with and draw their own conclusions.)

My opinion stands that JKR is wrong for posting what she did on Twitter and that she is doing to Norton what she says is done to her. It's hypocritical.

Was she talking about Graham Norton? I thought she included a tweet from Billy Bragg, and was responding to that.

That was his whole bloody point. Don't ask me, ask experts. I'm just a chat show host, ask people who know what they're talking about.

But he'd already branded JKR's views 'problematic'. So he'd proffered his views already and what he's actually saying is 'ask this one side of the debate, that I'm sympathetic to'.

Women didn't feature for him at all in people who should be listened to. And the one particular woman, who had experienced domestic abuse herself, is 'problematic' in her views.

This thread is so depressing.

No one knows when or why Norton closed his twitter account but it's all JKR's fault for quote tweeting someone else. Norton never attacked JKR we're told even though he's done interviews in both a newspaper and on the radio attacking her and even, despicably, accusing her of enjoying the death and rape threats she receives. No one has shown proof of any abuse towards Norton but it seems that's why he left twitter and it's all JKR's fault and it looks bad because everyone and their nan loves Norton (mine don't, they both hate him).

I suppose it's just so fulfilling to pander to imaginary male tears than focus on women's physical bruises.

He didn't 'attack' anybody.

At worst, as a PP pointed out, his remarks could be taken to mean that women's voices shouldn't be listened to in the conversation around trans people, but given the context - i.e. talking about famous people being piled on for opinions - he was evidently talking about her level of fame and power, rather than her being a woman, because he also says "My voice [i.e. as an also famous person] adds nothing to that discussion" and says that being on TV/famous 'artificially amplifies' his voice. It's very clear that he's discussing the idea of fame adding weight to people's opinions, NOT that she shouldn't have an opinion because she's a woman.

I think it's quite shitty of her to suggest he supports rape and death threats because of what he says. To reduce everyone on the side you disagree with to the worst example you can find is ridiculous...

"You don't think the new Rings of Power TV show is good and you disagree with those who do? Well you support the people on Twitter saying racist things about the casting then."

"You don't agree we should have a monarchy? You must agree with people who try and break into the palace to harm them"

etc etc.

No. I'm a granny so my six GC would have to disagree that everyone's granny loves Graham Norton.

I don't hate him, haven't watched him in donkey's years but I find him a bit irritating. We can't all like everyone let alone love them.

The full name for the 'trans issue' here is 'trans-identifying people v women-worried-about-safeguarding issue'. As it is a case of Y v X you cannot say that the experts here are Y, with no mention of X, without implicitly demonstrating you stand with Y.

You explain alot, I sort of wish I'd heard it now.