Graham Norton has terminated his Twitter account after attacking JK Rowling

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Well that's one less beardy man on there defending rape and death threats.

So JKR, then?

You are very welcome to believe what you want. Others are just as welcome to counter it and discuss your posts on a public website.

Having tuned me into this, I think the increasing extremism of gender critical stance is turning me off.

Do you think it is extreme to assert that women and girls should have completely single sex spaces and services that no male is allowed to access?

Do you think it is extreme to believe women and girls to be entitled to safety, privacy, dignity and comfort?

Do you think it is extreme to oppose children being permanently medicalised, rendered sterile and have healthy body parts removed?

Do you think it is extreme to oppose male prisoners, a rather large cohort of whom are imprisoned for sexual offences, being incarcerated in the female prison estate?

Do you think it is extreme to want to retain and secure the integrity of women's sports for women and exclude all males?

Cancel culture is bad and shouldn't be celebrated. But it's ok when it's towards Norton and we should be "popping the champagne" as some posters have said.

Norton hasn't been cancelled in any way whatsoever. He's removed himself from Twitter, which is his right. He hasn't lost his job, had protesters creating effigies and throwing smoke bombs to scare him from his workplace, not been cancelled from any public engagements or speaking platforms. Who is celebrating 'cancel culture' when Norton leaving Twitter isn't remotely that (we don't even know why he left).

So do you have a link to a tweet by JRK which states that she believes that BB supports rape and death threats, aside from the above, which doesn't?

That's my question. She asks him if the 'accountability' he expects her to be subjected to includes the threats that TRAs constantly send her.

Is there anything else? Because that's a question not a statement.

What is this accountability JKR and anyone else should face for voicing their opinion and resistance to Gender Ideology?

Yeah, they're more rattled than normal. The mermaids fiasco probably.

But comparing JKR's gargantuan charitable output to Jimmy Savile's use of charity to cover his abuse, is a particular low.

And eminently sue-able I should think.

In fact didn't JK threaten legal action against another TRA for similar?

She puts up with a lot, but being compared to Savile crosses her line.

Just to keep posting the tweet here to keep this thread on facts:

jk_rowling tweeted this.

You’ve compared feminists to Nazi eugenicists, Billy. You agreed with grahnort that cancel culture is merely ‘accountability’. Do you believe threats of rape and murder are acceptable ‘accountability’? 9.05 pm Oct 13, 2022.

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1580651511981350912?s=20&t=VpY5v5ECdrVbmz8ghYX3xA

Just for those who need it pulled out:

You agreed with grahnort that cancel culture is merely ‘accountability’. Do you believe threats of rape and murder are acceptable ‘accountability’?

Because 'rape and murder threats' have been used to 'cancel' women discussing this issue in the past. It is legitimate to clarify if a person who has posted that they agree with 'accountability' also includes these actions.

Would all this discussion have never happened if jk_rowling tweeted 'Reminder to all those who are agreeing with accountibility that in this usage of the word, accountibility could include rape and death threats to women who disagree that gender identity should be prioritised above sex in all instance, including those where sex matters!'

Would that have been acceptable? Or would that have been just as dissatisfactory?

Oh dear. You really don't like JK Rowling, do you Feyrethefae? Post after post.

It's funny because she never mentions you.

Here you go. I've even underlined it for you. I certainly don't see any question marks there, do you? Looks like a statement, and sounds like a statement to me.

Oh goodness me, how will I recover from Heroine Rowling not knowing my name... I don't have any strong feelings towards JKR. I do have strong feelings towards false accusations, however.

Come on @Freespirit42 @Feyrethefae @StrychnineInTheSandwiches @amyneedssleep what accountability should JKR and anyone else who speaks out against Gender Ideology and wants to retain and secure rights for females face?

Let's hear it.

Yes. She, and indeed thousands upon thousands of women, are getting a little pissed off with this airy fairy topline discussion some men like to have.

The deliberate lack of specificity is being challenged.

Let's hear it. What exacrly do you condone and what exactly do you condemn?

Let's all have an accountability party.

The gender critical stance is no more than the belief that sex in humans is real and immutable (ie, humans can't change sex) and some rights - for example, sex segregated sports, prisons and changing rooms - need to be based on that fact.

It's not the belief that transgenderism isn't real, or trans people don't deserve respect and safety. Most GC people have had no issue in the past with the very small number of people who have been through a legal and medical process to change gender legally, although none of them have ever changed sex. Come on, before this kicked off, who ever complained about it?

Is this extreme?

Or is it extreme to state that sex is not real/is insignificant to human rights, that gender identity overrides natal sex, and women's sports, changing rooms and rape crisis centres must all be completely open to any intact male person who wants to go in, on nothing more than that person's word?

Because that is literally what these people are calling for.

I think a lot of people are against GC because they can't believe such plain truth could be opposed so vehemently. They can't believe Maya Forstater really did lose her job for saying men can't turn off women, so they assume she must have said something far more offensive. She didn't.

And they can't believe JKR could get this level of abuse for saying that sex is real, you can't change sex and some protections need to be sex based because oppression certainly is. She must have said something far more offensive.

She didn't. That's why nobody, in over two years, has ever produced a quote.

@Feyrethefae Exactly, that tweet definitely implies that they both support threats and it says absolutely NOTHING of the sort, they didn't do that at all.

throw their support behind rape and death threats to those who dare disagree.

Because 'rape and murder threats' have been used to 'cancel' women discussing this issue in the past. It is legitimate to then clarify if a person who has posted that they agree with 'accountability' also includes these actions.

I'm not too sure why you've tagged me in that, I haven't said anything about the accountability side of this, only about the accusation of supporting threats.

Clarify? It didn't ask for clarification, though, did it?
It was an outright accusation, not asking for clarification

To ask if they do, sure. To announce to the whole world that they definitely do.. not so much. Had she asked BB/GN if he supported it, she would've got an answer. But she didn't, she told everyone that they did. I believe BB has since clarified that he doesn't support threats in any way and guess what, JKRs accusation is still standing on her Twitter feed.

Cancel culture weaponised against J. K. Rowling, and many women, is entirely about threats. That's what it is.

If people are calling that accountability, then don't be bloody surprised when women ask you to be a little bit more specific.

The absolute gall of calling women out for highlighting what people are condoning, without saying they're condoning it.

If people are calling that accountability, then don't be bloody surprised when women ask you to be a little bit more specific.

If JKR tweets something that everyone takes to be directed at Graham Norton, then don't be bloody surprised when people ask her to be a little bit more specific.
If JKR tweets a statement that BB/GN support the threats of rape and murder against women, everyone takes it as a statement except a few saying it's a question, then don't be bloody surprised when people ask her to be a little bit more specific.

dropped onto the end of this thread - a question for those calling out JKR for any damn thing, why aren't you outraged that there are death and rape threats towards women for simply speaking about anything? Why isn't BB outraged? Why isn't GN outraged? Regardless of all squabbling around who said what and blah blah interpretation. Good people would be outraged at this type of behaviour towards women. You are not the good guys.

So what has she tweeted that is confusing ? Asking GN to clarify why he means ? Gosh this could go on forever

I think the increasing extremism of gender critical stance is turning me off

You see, I don't see any increasing extremism at all. The GC position has remained constant through the shifting sands of queer theory, post-modernist, self-defining, anti-science contradictory nonsense. Human beings can't change sex. A woman is an adult human female. Women need same sex safe spaces.

If women are having to stand more firmly against all this shit, it's because the nonsense is getting more extreme.

why aren't you outraged that there are death and rape threats towards women for simply speaking about anything
I am outraged at that too, it's disgusting that that happens and it's never OK.
I can be bothered about more than one thing at a time, you realise that's possible, right?

Billy Bragg tweeted:

Norton really good here on John Cleese, telling him that ‘cancel culture’ is just accountability, and JK Rowling, suggesting that the media talk directly to trans teens and their parents rather than merely amplifying the takes of a celebrity. 4.41 pm 13 Oct 2022

Just to pull this out:

Norton really good here on John Cleese, telling him that ‘cancel culture’ is just accountability, and JK Rowling,

Bragg is saying here very explicitly that 'cancel culture' is just 'accountability.'

The full tweet from Joanne Rowling was

Very much enjoying the recent spate of bearded men stepping confidently onto their soapboxes to define what a woman is and throw their support behind rape and death threats to those who dare disagree. You may mock, but takes real bravery to come out as an Old Testament prophet. 6.20 pm 13 Oct 2020

Surely it can be just as easily interpreted that this tweet is stating that it is acknowledged that 'cancel culture' also includes rape and death threats to women who disagree that gender identity should be prioritised above sex in all instance, including those where sex matters?

And that some males who publicly speak about 'cancel culture' being just 'accountability' are ignoring this fact?

I mean, it is clearly sarcastic and it is clearly hyperbolic because she uses words like soapboxes and Old Testament prophet. No doubt about it. However, by doing so, she is also making a point that males seem to be ignoring the aspect of cancel culture that includes women receiving rape and death threats. As she has experienced herself.