Graham Norton has terminated his Twitter account after attacking JK Rowling

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Well that's one less beardy man on there defending rape and death threats.

What he actually said, was listen to trans people, but not pesky women, who,shouldn't be having an opinion.......

tgeir logic is so stupid serial killers may give money to charity it means fuck all I am sure some of these nasty tories give money to charity while they vote against helping the poor

Yet the media rarely never interview trans people but they love listening to jk rowling I wanna hear a balanced approach thanks

Oh, I must've missed that when I watched the actual video and read the transcript of what he said.

People wouldn't be putting words in his mouth, would they?
People wouldn't be assuming to suit their own agenda, would they?
People wouldn't be twisting and nitpicking his words to suit their own agenda, would they?

Of course, they wouldn't, that's what they've been claiming has been done to JKRs words and how awful it is. It would be super hypocritical to now be doing the same to Graham Norton. That just wouldn't happen, because no one doing this is a hypocrite. Nope.

JK Rowling rigerously defended Johnny Depp and then was notably silent when evidence of his rape and death fantasies regarding Amber Heard became public record.

JK Rowling wrote extremely fatphobic narratives in her books, the worst example being in The Casual Vacancy where the antongist of the novel received a dressing down from an apparently likeable character about the strain they were putting on the NHS, and revelled in the lurid descriptions of his fat body being operated on while an innocent toddler died in the same hospital.

I think JK Rowling is admirable for a lot of the things she's done, but let's not pretend she's above criticism.

Yes dear but she doesn't say shit about transpeople does she?

All she insists is that gender isn't sex and that a transgender Person has differences to the sex with which they identify

Which is an essential part of being transgender or you wouldn't be transgender would you ?

I think it has been pointed out numerous times on this thread that some posters have indeed been clearly hypocritical in their posts.

That they have twisted the answers in the interview where the presenter asked clearly twice about JK Rowling and posters have stated that the answers given had nothing to do with JK Rowling and there was absolutely no connections being made, even in an underhanded way.

And then are making connections with tweets that are clearly replying to Billy Bragg to be 'aimed' at Graham Norton. And that even the tweet that mentions Graham Norton's quote about accountability and asks Bragg to answer a question about it relevant only to Bragg, is a tweet about Graham Norton. No other evidence has been produced of Joanne Rowling's 'treatment' of Graham Norton.

I think readers can make up their own minds about the hypocrisy in these posts.

A thread started by a poster with no other history on this site using rather inflammatory language.

I'm sure he also said listen to the parents of trans kids.

Would that not usually involve a woman?

I normally try to focus on what people say rather than getting caught up in their posting style. But given @Freespirit42 is mostly talking guff, I’m going there:

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Punctuation and capital letters

Give ‘em a try. You know you want to.

For any lurkers who haven't seen it, this is JRK's essay. Her actual words - www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

This is what peaked many people, me included. We've asked time and time again on here what it was that she had actually said that is transphobic. TRA's rely on interpretations of her words, simply refusing to read her words or (and this seems to be a particular feature of gender ideology) simply repeating the mantra 'JKR is transphobic' in the hope that repetition of a falsehood enough times makes it true.

GN has claimed that JRK's views are 'problematic', which I suppose they are to people who believe that women are support humans for men.

I would say that sums things up perfectly.

Alright, so you don't think that the tweets are about Graham Norton, fair enough and until JKR comes out and actually clarifies that then people will assume. I don't agree with it but it is what it is. Now that leaves Billy Bragg, being accused, in front of 13 million followers and more due to retweeting and media articles, that he supports threats of rape and murder. Is that ok then, because it's not Graham Norton?

Fact remains that neither of these men said they support the threats of rape and murder of women, but one/both of them are being accused of such by JKR. One has defended himself, the other has left Twitter. It's not sitting right, she's made a mistake here.

You're really defending a man who has called women nazis for objecting to men being put in women's prisons @Feyrethefae?

I agree with you

I like being lazy with my typing but I am glad you think I am talking rubbish because I don’t wanna be on the side of some on this group at all.

Yes. And that woman who was working there needs to apologise. And may need a list of hidden disabilities of who has access to the disabled toilets.

I look at that person and I don't see a male at all, but I know that some people cannot tell. I was misgendered a lot as young person. It happens and we know it happens.

However, Tay should not have been turned away from the female toilets and maybe (because I have not checked) not turned away from the disabled toilets.

In any case, why is the answer that males have access to female single sex spaces because some people get misgendered? That is just false logic and in the same realm as 'paedophiles get teaching jobs so female's cannot expect to have single sex spaces maintained as single sex'.

Am I defending the fact he's called women nazis? No. Am I defending the fact that he has been accused, by JKR, of supporting the threats of murder and rape of women to her millions of followers, on a public platform? Yes.
It's not so black and white, you can defend a person who has questionable views and you can condemn a person whose every other view you agree with.

JKR is a hypocrite in this instance and I find it absolutely baffling that people are able to defend her actions in this case, when she's doing exactly what has been done to her.

I've been reading this and other threads with interest. Munsnet got me thinking about this issue and being more critical in my thinking. However, I'm finding the increasing polarity of a complex issue hard to bear and plus the desire to silence others (for expressing an opinion) and the willingness to make allies of those with otherwise (v right wing) views hard to bear.

Having tuned me into this, I think the increasing extremism of gender critical stance is turning me off.

JK_Rowling tweeted:

You’ve compared feminists to Nazi eugenicists, Billy. You agreed with grahnort that cancel culture is merely ‘accountability’. Do you believe threats of rape and murder are acceptable ‘accountability’? 9.05 pm Oct 13, 2022.

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1580651511981350912?s=20&t=VpY5v5ECdrVbmz8ghYX3xA

*Billybragg: You may feel that my comparison of anti-trans activists is offensive, but as an opinion of a group it is very different to rape and death threats directed at an individual, which are indefensible and I am not OK with. You recognise the difference, surely? 4.03 pm Oct 14, 2022.

Bragg doesn't deny that he has compared feminists to Nazi eugenicists, but does confirm that he finds threats indefensible.

Has Joanne Rowling tweeted that he supports rape and death threats after he has answered her question?

If so, please post it here.

Has Joanne Rowling tweeted that he supports rape and death threats after he has answered her question?

Ah, so it's ok for JKR to post that BB/GN supports threats of rape and murder before either of them clarifies that they don't? In that case, I suppose it's ok for me to start making up lies about JKR on my Twitter and wait until she answers each individual one with her defence because that's ok?

Perhaps, just perhaps, it's simply a case of don't tweet false accusations at all...?

No one is trying to silence Norton or Bragg. We're calling them out for being the misogynists they are.

I'm a bit surprised you've reached that conclusion when so many posters on here have had to resort to making things up to shore up their weak TRA arguments.

Ah, so it's ok for JKR to post that BB/GN supports threats of rape and murder before either of them clarifies that they don't?

There has been an ongoing conversation between Joanne Rowling and Billy Bragg. You are taking a snapshot of it here to illustrate your point which has been pointed out to be hypocritical.

By all means, join the many people making stuff up and posting it on the internet.

So do you have a link to a tweet by JRK which states that she believes that BB supports rape and death threats, aside from the above, which doesn't?

In addition, how would he answer her question before she asked it?

And I don't think you want to get into the whole field of false accusations against JKR given the, well, almost continuous false accusations made against her by TRA's.

By all means, join the many people making stuff up and posting it on the internet.

So JKR, then?

Have you got an example of that @Feyrethefae? I'm sure I'm not alone in being very keen to see it