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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Graham Norton has terminated his Twitter account after attacking JK Rowling

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SwanageBay · 17/10/2022 12:41

Well that's one less beardy man on there defending rape and death threats.

Graham Norton has terminated his Twitter account after attacking JK Rowling
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ChiefWiggumsBoy · 17/10/2022 21:09

Feyrethefae · 17/10/2022 19:24

So a TRA threatens a GC woman on Twitter and it's all guns blazing, added to the list of (inexcusable and awful) threats and highly condemned, but when there's a threat against a trans person, coming from a JKR follower/fan/ally, it's bound to be fake, not as important because GC women have had worse, can't possibly have come from a woman, doesn't count etc. Seriously?

With respect, I’ve seen many posts like the one you posted and they are extremely easily faked. Not saying this one is. But it’s in stark contrast to say, the threats noted on this site, which are direct screenshots with no redacted info.

People are skeptical when the ‘documented evidence’ isn’t really documented evidence, and when there has been a history of arse-covering for their own behaviour.

GC feminists are not without flaw. But if I were to pick out the worst comments and tweets from one of them to a trans person, especially one that was just having a conflicting opinion not someone being deliberately inflammatory, I think I’d be hard pressed to find a death or rape threat.

Arucanafeather · 17/10/2022 21:19

C8H10N4O2 · 17/10/2022 17:10

Free of serious consequence is pretty much the definition of free speech.

If free speech is constrained by threats (to your job, to your safety, to you personal liberty, to your family) then whether the consequence comes from a government or the mob is irrelevant. You don't actually have free speech.

Yes. I totally agree.

Arucanafeather · 17/10/2022 21:23

MalagaNights · 17/10/2022 20:39

I think JKs tweet allowed room for confusion, evidenced by the need to justify and explain it here.
So maybe a slight misstep tactically?

Or maybe the tactic is fuck this shit I'm going to bloody blow it wide open.
In which case, great tactics.

Either way JK is the one woman who cannot be cancelled, she's knows this and she's using herself as a lightening rod for all the women who can't speak up.

She's tolerating utter reputational damage, she's giving up her national treasure status, she's allowing herself to be accused of hateful views and acts, she's ignoring the vile abuse and threats.

She is embodying: And Yet She Persisted.

She will not be taken down despite them throwing everything they've got at her.

She is fucking incredible.
When this feels 'over' I want women everywhere to think about how we can honour her.

Graham Norton on the other hand has bailed at the first experience of people thinking he's Not Nice.

I’m by no means an expert on this subject, and not as knowledgeable on the nuances as I think I should be but what you’ve written sun up how I feel about the situation given what I do know.

deeperthanallroses · 17/10/2022 21:49

if he feels a bit hounded off Twitter it seems a fairly useful object lesson in the cancel culture he says doesn’t exist- do you think he feels a bit hounded, cancelled or fairly held accountable which is what he says happens? I suspect when it comes to himself it’s more a and b than c, c is for other people who should be more responsible about what they say.

ReneBumsWombats · 17/10/2022 21:56

MalagaNights · 17/10/2022 20:39

I think JKs tweet allowed room for confusion, evidenced by the need to justify and explain it here.
So maybe a slight misstep tactically?

Or maybe the tactic is fuck this shit I'm going to bloody blow it wide open.
In which case, great tactics.

Either way JK is the one woman who cannot be cancelled, she's knows this and she's using herself as a lightening rod for all the women who can't speak up.

She's tolerating utter reputational damage, she's giving up her national treasure status, she's allowing herself to be accused of hateful views and acts, she's ignoring the vile abuse and threats.

She is embodying: And Yet She Persisted.

She will not be taken down despite them throwing everything they've got at her.

She is fucking incredible.
When this feels 'over' I want women everywhere to think about how we can honour her.

Graham Norton on the other hand has bailed at the first experience of people thinking he's Not Nice.

Hear hear.

She's a fucking queen.

Feyrethefae · 17/10/2022 21:56

Theeyeballsinthesky · 17/10/2022 20:55

No receipts then - that’s a shock

I'm not sure if you know how Tiktok works, but it's not the same as Twitter. Once you refresh your "For You" page, what you've watched has gone. If you're not in the habit of "liking" loads of videos, as I'm not, then no there aren't "receipts" unless you remember the names of all the posters.

If you're willing, then the trans people who don't have extremist views can be found on there, but you need to do some work to get there.

lifeturnsonadime · 17/10/2022 22:09

ArabellaScott · 17/10/2022 17:57

'It must be very hard to be a man of a certain age who's been able to say whatever he likes for years, and now suddenly there’s some accountability.'

G Norton, 2022

Abso - fucking- lutely.

If he could be bothered to understand a 'mere' woman's point of view on the impact of trans rights on women as a sex class and on gay children then maybe he wouldn't have landed himself in this spot of bother.

What was interesting in the interview with Mariella Frostrup was the account of him growing up in Ireland as a gay child loving dresses. Doesn't he see he would have been prey for TRAs?

I don't have any sympathy for him at all.

VestofAbsurdity · 17/10/2022 22:33

Datun · 17/10/2022 20:20

Oh good lord. So she wasn't even talking to Graham Norton. It was billy Bragg.

And despite this being pointed out ad nauseum to certain poster they are still, in Graham Norton's words, wanging on about JKR attacking GN, wilful blindness, deafness or something else?

Datun · 17/10/2022 23:04

Feyrethefae · 17/10/2022 21:56

I'm not sure if you know how Tiktok works, but it's not the same as Twitter. Once you refresh your "For You" page, what you've watched has gone. If you're not in the habit of "liking" loads of videos, as I'm not, then no there aren't "receipts" unless you remember the names of all the posters.

If you're willing, then the trans people who don't have extremist views can be found on there, but you need to do some work to get there.

That'll be why no one has heard of them, and they're having zero impact then. 🙄

Helleofabore · 17/10/2022 23:45

MalagaNights · 17/10/2022 20:39

I think JKs tweet allowed room for confusion, evidenced by the need to justify and explain it here.
So maybe a slight misstep tactically?

Or maybe the tactic is fuck this shit I'm going to bloody blow it wide open.
In which case, great tactics.

Either way JK is the one woman who cannot be cancelled, she's knows this and she's using herself as a lightening rod for all the women who can't speak up.

She's tolerating utter reputational damage, she's giving up her national treasure status, she's allowing herself to be accused of hateful views and acts, she's ignoring the vile abuse and threats.

She is embodying: And Yet She Persisted.

She will not be taken down despite them throwing everything they've got at her.

She is fucking incredible.
When this feels 'over' I want women everywhere to think about how we can honour her.

Graham Norton on the other hand has bailed at the first experience of people thinking he's Not Nice.

Yep. Joanne Rowling has raised her head above the parapet. I remember when she first did this and women across the globe breathed a sigh of relief. Because someone who could, did.

She took the abuse and she persisted. And which other woman could do this while appealing to the mainstream?

Graham Norton has flounced either temporarily or permanently. Joanne Rowling has not.

Helleofabore · 18/10/2022 00:00

And despite this being pointed out ad nauseum to certain poster they are still, in Graham Norton's words, wanging on about JKR attacking GN, wilful blindness, deafness or something else?

yes. The tweets have been posted, the transcript of the times radio interview has been posted.

I do find it rather clear the hypocrisy at play here. Posters seem to be declaring on one hand that no… Graham Norton wasn’t making points that referred to Joanne Rowling, despite the questions both times referring specifically to her. Yet, her tweets which reasonably can be read to refer to Billy Bragg and his comments (which he owns up to making), are being extrapolated to refer to Graham Norton. Despite her only explicitly referring to his quote about ‘accountability’ and not anything else. (And nothing else has been posted despite requests).

It really seems bizarre. Like there is some kind of disconnect happening here but some people cannot see it.

VestofAbsurdity · 18/10/2022 01:25

It really seems bizarre. Like there is some kind of disconnect happening here but some people cannot see it.

Disconnect, a lack of comprehension, wilful blindness and deafness or an agenda or indeed all of those.

MrsJamin · 18/10/2022 05:52

JK is more Hermione than Emma Watson could ever hope to be.

ReneBumsWombats · 18/10/2022 07:22

Feyrethefae · 17/10/2022 21:56

I'm not sure if you know how Tiktok works, but it's not the same as Twitter. Once you refresh your "For You" page, what you've watched has gone. If you're not in the habit of "liking" loads of videos, as I'm not, then no there aren't "receipts" unless you remember the names of all the posters.

If you're willing, then the trans people who don't have extremist views can be found on there, but you need to do some work to get there.

I've never searched for trans-related videos on TikTok but they occasionally come up. The most common one I've seen is young transwomen, at varying levels of "passing", videoing themselves entering women's toilets and all around the inside, presumably to prove they went in.

Have you ever known a woman to do this? It doesn't feel as if they "just want to wee".

StrangeLookingParasite · 18/10/2022 07:31

3 people committed suicide after doxxing and organised harassment from anti-trans forum kiwifarms. A transwoman was swatted by users on kiwifarms.

Stop repeating these lies.

KittenKong · 18/10/2022 07:46

Graham opened his mouth and said he wasn’t involved - and people reminded him of his past actions - donating money to a double mastectomy (with Fry) and doing some pretty hideous ‘banter’ on Jade Goody.

He couldn’t defend so he flounced off to try to protect his writing career and gigs on things like drag show.

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 08:58

ToGanymedeAndTitan · 17/10/2022 13:10

He literally said listen to trans people and not celebrities. He didn't "attack" her.
Neither did he say anything at all about death and rape threats, never even mentioned anything about that at all or condoned them in the slightest.
Unless just saying something as innocuous as listen to trans people, and that there should be accountability to when online is now saying that you condone rape and death threats?!
If so WTF.
Did you actually listen to what he said, watch the interview?

Agree with you

TheKeatingFive · 18/10/2022 08:59

Agree with you

Did you read the thread? This has all been discussed in detail.

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:01

TheKeatingFive · 18/10/2022 08:59

Agree with you

Did you read the thread? This has all been discussed in detail.

I was going through comments but I agree I stand with graham as he didn’t say anything wrong at all and I said at the time he should sue jk rowling

TheKeatingFive · 18/10/2022 09:03

I agree I stand with graham as he didn’t say anything wrong at all

Keep reading love 🙄

I said at the time he should sue jk rowling

For what?!?

Helleofabore · 18/10/2022 09:05

I said at the time he should sue jk rowling

For what specifically?

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:08

Helleofabore · 18/10/2022 09:05

I said at the time he should sue jk rowling

For what specifically?

For what for basically saying he stands by women having death threats and rape threats which he didn’t ever say that and she knows it she’s very wrong with what she said

TheKeatingFive · 18/10/2022 09:09

For what for basically saying he stands by women having death threats and rape threats

How would a tweet that doesn't name him stand up legally do you think?!?

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:10

TheKeatingFive · 18/10/2022 09:09

For what for basically saying he stands by women having death threats and rape threats

How would a tweet that doesn't name him stand up legally do you think?!?

Implications I bet if it was the other way round that didn’t actually name jk rowling and I dunno graham happened to say some people are unhinged and nasty with their trans hate jk rowling would be all over that she loves to sue people and pile on folks

Freespirit42 · 18/10/2022 09:12

funny how those that shout about cancel culture the loudest seem to have a big voice always tweeting about the same stuff yet gets someone like graham Norton a gay man off Twitter even when glinner called him a homophobe. Fancy calling graham Norton a homophobe

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