Graham Norton has terminated his Twitter account after attacking JK Rowling

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Well that's one less beardy man on there defending rape and death threats.

Absolutely. They should be under the umbrella of experts that Norton appears to be saying (in that article) that we should all be listening to. I'm in Ireland so I'm well aware of how things play out when expert clinicians are side-lined by ideologues with the HSE, government and lobbyists with the ear of both.

They have had no choice. They all started out giving some fairly innocuous support to someone else. They got piled on by TRAs via Twitter etc, received threats of harm, and lost work opportunities, social standing, were defamed etc as a result. Others have seen what has happened and had to keep quiet. Meanwhile, anyone with the "correct" opinions can say what they want on any media and be celebrated for it. If the former group had been left to have their own opinions without the threats, or even if there had been some respectful disagreement, then they would not be activists now. The TRA monsters created them.

Also if you mean Norton, the use of "enjoy his lifestyle" is a very very poor choice of phrase.

He was asked about JKR and declined to answer

No.

He'd already given his opinion. Uninformed as it is.

JKR's views are 'problematic' and all the people who'd lost out on jobs, opportunities, been dropped from projects and were receiving death threats for their tweets are simply experiencing accountability for their actions.

once he'd gotten that out he tried to wiggle out of the discussion, yes

And actually, there is no reason why being a celebrity precludes anyone from having a social or political opinion. Like I said, plenty on the left manage to have both with zero consequence.

Not to mention - that was almost verbatim the response JKR got from TRAs when she said:

"Dress however you please. Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult that will have you. Live your best life in peace and security."

Couldn't make it up honestly.

Er no.

She is criticising 'beardy men' standing by and watching as women get pelted with abuse and their livelihoods threatened and then say 'well, ya know, free speech has consequences, its called accountability (not that I have the bollocks to say anything about it myself)'

Jk Rowling said "so you think I should be killed do you?"

She typed out that sentence?

Oh please! Bragg was always been with the authoritarian and misogynist wing of the left, part of the group that quit Labour when Militant were expelled to create another, Militant based party.

Those were the men I associated most with "horizontal recruiting" in the 80s and 90s and who were utterly behind women's rights "but not just now love, it will come with the greater struggle for all rights". These were often the men in the Unions which actively fought equal pay for women and any progress in women's rights (except for abortion and other rights which also proved pretty convenient for men).

Many white, wealthy men in a position of privilege are quite happy to protect their own position by dumping on women, excusing and minimising abuse and constraining their support for situations where it suits men or where the women are a group "over there", far away, never likely to impinge on their comfort.

And yet he encouraged his audience to laugh mercilessly at Amy Winehouse for having addiction issues @Smilelesstalkmore

Funny how it's always women who are the butt of these men's jokes isn't it?

Free of serious consequence is pretty much the definition of free speech.

If free speech is constrained by threats (to your job, to your safety, to you personal liberty, to your family) then whether the consequence comes from a government or the mob is irrelevant. You don't actually have free speech.

Am a little curious Feyrethefae, did you jump in to defend JKR when she was getting the rape, murder, burning, and doxing threats?

You are doing very well here for GN!

Are you an impartial observer who believes in fair play for all or are you on a team with fair play for one side only?

Women account for 80% of fiction sales in the UK, US and Canada. I bet that's one statistic about women that Graham's publisher is very aware of.

Same question could be asked of you..do you jump in when trans people receive threats? Does JKR?

Ooh I do love when someone attempts this. Yes, I did defend JKR when she was receiving all of those threats. My view is, has always been and always will be that no matter how much you disagree with someone, how much you hate them, no one deserves to receive death/rape/burning threats. I continue to defend her whenever it comes up in conversation. I don't agree with her and think it's absolutely fair for people to disagree with her, but I will defend her from these threats, as I would do anyone else. What else you got?

Is Graham Norton a she now? I thought that was Eddie Izzard.

Yes @PaleBlueMoonlight I think you have put that very well. Surely accountability should mean having to defend one's position on a subject.; not threats to one's life or livelihood. But , if we include such things as accountability , then they must be acceptable in our culture. Therefore cancel culture must exist , even if most people reject it?

The cancel mobs may be a minority - given that most people are not on Twitter - but it's just not tenable to say this isn't happening.

i have posted Joanne Rowling’s tweets. Did I miss those referring to Graham Norton? There was just the one tweet? Or is there an inference that she was referring directly to him in the ‘bearded men’?

Have there been others?

Because from the posts here, she seems to be accused of posting directly about Graham Norton. Apart from that one tweet, I would like to see the others.

This thread has moved on, but I would like to see this answered. I have posted the tweets I can find.

Is there more?

Or have tweets directed at billy Bragg been attributed to Graham Norton??

When did trans (sic) people receive actual threats (and I mean actual threats, not refusal to comply with a trans (sic) person’s wishes)

And by the way, reading the one tweet that referred directly to Norton was only specifically mentioning his quote about accountability.

You’ve compared feminists to Nazi eugenicists, Billy. You agreed with grahnort that cancel culture is merely ‘accountability’. Do you believe threats of rape and murder are acceptable ‘accountability’? 9.05 pm Oct 13, 2022.

that is the actual tweet.

So, again. Have we missed any others referring directly to Graham Norton?

Because using the same logic as I have seen, then why has she been accused of things that Graham Norton is being given a ‘he didn’t say that’ handwave?

Historically GN is a vile, nasty little man.

He likes to be hated I think.

Has any celebrity twitter flounce ever lasted longer than a week? He'll be back.

Apparently we are all evil and drove the poor millionaire with media advisors off Twitter.