How much longer is this going to take?!

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Mermaids employing fetishists

Cass report

PMQ

News article after news article

The list goes on.

And yet I have a 9yo daughter - autistic, gender nonconforming, the exact audience for this genderist pile of shite, and I'm not convinced anything substantial will have changed when she's in secondary school or even college.

Where girls are still wearing binders, and trying and failing to opt out of sexism with a name change and trans flag lanyards.

How long are we going to have to wait? Labour will be in power in the next couple of years. How will I keep my perfectly healthy and whole daughter safe from this gender dogma?

I'm tired of waiting.

The Sunday Times had this in another context, posted because it seems relevant:

In the autumn of 1954 a young and rather daring psychologist called Leon Festinger infiltrated a UFO cult in Minnesota. The cult insiders believed that they would be picked up in a spaceship at midnight on December 21 and transported to a new planetary utopia on the edge of the galaxy. They had sold their possessions and told the local newspaper what was about to unfold.

Festinger was not interested in the prophecy per se. Many such groups have risen up from time to time in different parts of America. Rather, he was fascinated in what would happen after the prophecy failed. Would the cult members admit their folly? Would they go back to their lives? Would they become reacquainted with reality?

In fact the 35-year-old Festinger, who had spent his career examining dogmatic thinking in all its forms, had a different expectation. He thought their convictions would become even more entrenched. It would be too psychologically threatening to admit they were wrong, too mortifying to confront the stares of those who had warned them. Sure enough, as the clock ticked past midnight, the cult members rapidly found an alternative explanation. The planetary timetable had shifted: the spaceship would now come two years later. Within a week they were back out on a recruitment drive.

I think this warped thinking about gender will be continuing for some time yet.

@ArabellaScott

But somebody signs off on that payment to stonewall.

Somebody authorised that D&I or trans policy.

who are these people? Why are they not named and held to account?

why do the police keep twitting trans and self I’d twits in plain sight?

I don't teach it to her - she taught it to me - as the right thing a child should say, as the logical and honest thing a child should say. As the only defence against adults pushing, pushing, pushing. Against other children, pushing, pushing, pushing her boundaries.
She says no.

We have to allow children to say no.
"Do you have pronouns? What's your sexuality? What's your gender today? Are you born in the wrong body?"

"No. I am a child."

I think we can't really win.

It's sad but probably true. When have we ever been able to win over men?

Civil servants, in many cases.

But I think there is an element to this kind of beurocracy which isn't all that easy, or even fair in many cases, to ascribe to individuals.

And if we did punish civil servants for some of these kinds of decisions, I suspect we wouldn't get many people wanting to take those jobs.

With gender ideology I think a lot of it comes down to the way we have tended to devolve best practice guidelines to lobby groups, and the amount of trust people had in organizations like SW.

People in the civil service learn to follow best practice guidelines and keep their own private thoughts to themselves. And they are very vulnerable to management trends and fads too.

My 14 and 15 year old are sick of it all and know my position. We keep quiet but we are all aligned. It’s bullshit, regressive, harmful and a trend. Eye roll eye roll in our family and smiles outside.

@MangyInseam sorry, not buying it, I have worked in both public and private sectors. even in civil service , there are heads of departments etc. . They are known for being risk averse and covering there backsides, which is sort of normal in most places, but in the private sector there are consequences.

the civil service can read the news about mermaids and stonewall like everyone else, by now, I’d expect them to pipe down on the gender BS, knowing which way the wind is blowing and that something is going to hit the fan. But no, it’s all nameless, no accountability.

Currently it's seen as more risky to stand up for women's rights than it is to question accepted wisdom.

Public sector is v much anonymous decisions made elsewhere and higher up.

Apologies if you are public sector and taking criticism of them personally.

In this particular instance, the ‘higher up’ DfE have given clear guidelines against the likes of SW and Mermaids, even if the person raising the purchase order for them don’t stop and question it, I expect at least SOMEONE in the chain would say, ‘hey, this is against government guidelines - do we really want to do this?’….implication is that if you go ahead it will be on you. Or are they just so unaccountable that there are no consequences for them.…hence why they are known as the Blob.

I'm not public sector, but have worked in it in the past.

Pomegranate, that is an excellent summary of gender ideology. Many thanks.

It's nothing to do with it being personal.

But other than at the very top levels, it is very difficult to pin that kind of accountability on individuals. There are always guidelines, and if you follow them, you are covered, and the people who made the guidelines generally aren't culpable for any specific decision.

And yes, very often the people who implement things are essentially anonymous.

Your child is a genius.

Can I ask, what school year do they start pushing this?

Be very scared if Labour get in as they will go the way of scotland

i am in Scotland. Last week a child in one of my DD’s class stood up to announce she was a “they”. Elder DD has “pan sexual” friends. There are posters in school advising there are “a hundred genders”. The material approved by the Scottish government is utterly horrific and it starts in primary one. It’s hard to see it as anything other than state approved grooming

I tell my children it’s “utter shite”. We discuss it and I bring humour into it. I tell them sick people in the government make it up. We actually know someone who is trans later in life and this has helped as they can see the genuine (rare) case where it took a long time and support was given. This has helped.

@MangyInseam i guess that’s a key difference with private sector then, you actually do take ownership and responsibility for your work at whatever your level is at, and there are consequences to your career or for your line manager who may or may not back you (or through you under the bus).

Lobotomy became popular in the 40s and early 50s then fell away but it wasn’t until 1977 that Jimmy Carter ordered an investigation into the practice. I would hope it won’t take that long to turn around the sterilisation of children.

And the first country to ban lobotomy in 1950? The Soviet Union, saying it was “contrary to the principles of humanity”.

@Apollo442

a lot of people have issues with some of that yes .

Here here I am shocked when I read these comments it’s like how they were with gays back in the day I grew up with section 28 because we weren't allowed to be taught that it just put gay people underground

Wow what a lot of rubbish and I suggest you actually speak to trans people and let’s hope your kids are not trans in fact let’s hope mqny kids of you guys are not because they sure as hell won’t be talking to you guys as adults

Being gay is a sexual orientation (there are 3: heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual) and this is well-attested throughout human history. Being trans appears to be a feeling someone has in their head, which is unverifiable. Gender identity is also a feeling which seems more like a personality trait than an actual fact. And yet these feelings and beliefs are cited as evidence for allowing men who have them to intrude into women's spaces and places. That feeling is presented as fact is unscientific. Also, many of the claims e.g. of being born in the wrong body, of sex being assigned at birth are scientific nonsense with no basis in reality at all. Not the same as being gay at all.

When you say 'trans people', who do you mean? Is this people with gender dysphoria or is there some other definition?

Being horrified at children being put on a medical pathway to eventual sterilisation is not like Section 28 Freespirit42.