Mermaids being investigated by the Charity Commission - thread 2

[ResisterRex]

The first thread, towards the end of which there was a discussion about having a second thread but it wasn't added:

Mermaids being investigated by the charity commission
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4644323-mermaids-being-investigated-by-the-charity-commissionn_

There's been a new development so maybe a second thread would be useful:

Lottery pauses trans charity cash during investigation

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c959a286-44e4-11ed-8885-043c27446b97?shareToken=6d482edb1a386656502f33453da5c230

Sounds like kids have been very safe hands there.

Of course they do!

I feel like we are living through a twisted follow up episode of Brass Eye's 2001 special. Except its real. And actually no one is over reacting and there isn't a moral panic.

(of course one of the writer of Brass Eye was...)

Wiki on 2001's Paedogedden:
It tackled paedophilia and the moral panic in parts of the British media following the murder of Sarah Payne, focusing on the name-and-shame campaign conducted by the News of the World in its wake. This included an incident in 2000 in which a paediatrician in Newport had the word "PAEDO" daubed in yellow paint on her home. News of the World's then Editor Rebekah Brooks would years later discuss this campaign at the Leveson Inquiry.

To illustrate the media's knee-jerk reaction to the subject, various celebrities were duped into presenting fatuous and often ridiculous pieces to camera in the name of a campaign against paedophiles. Gary Lineker and Phil Collins endorsed a spoof charity, Nonce Sense, (pronounced "nonsense"—"nonce" being British slang for people convicted or suspected of molestation or sexual crimes), with Collins saying, "I'm talking Nonce Sense!" Tomorrow's World presenter Philippa Forrester and ITN reporter Nicholas Owen were shown explaining the details of fictional "Hidden Online Entrapment Control System", or HOECS (pronounced "hoax") computer games, which online paedophiles were using to abuse children via the Internet. Capital Radio DJ Neil "Doctor" Fox told viewers that "paedophiles have more genes in common with crabs than they do with you and me", adding "Now that is scientific fact—there's no real evidence for it—but it is scientific fact". At one point, bogus CCTV footage was shown of a paedophile attempting to seduce children by stalking the streets while disguised as a school.

It must be remembered that:
One of the politicians who appeared in the special, Labour MP Barbara Follett, actually lodged a complaint with the Broadcasting Standards Commission after she’d been duped into reporting about how the eyes of an animated online dog could supposedly be hacked and converted into webcams by online paedophiles. The complaint was ultimately rejected precisely because of how it showed that MPs were willing to talk, with authority, on something they know nothing about, and which only a minor amount of research would have shown was complete nonsense.

It led to c4 changing its code to allow misleading interviewees for entertainment purposes. The Brass Eye clause. Without which Sacha Baron Cohen would probably given up and become a historian.

Its very much a case of life imitating art rather than the converse. And it's really scary to think that despite the warning brass eye gave about celebrity and MP endorsement without having a fucking clue what they are endorsing, we are in this situation.

I guess this is why being old enough to remember (or wrote) brass eye (original series 1997) might give you pause for thought... Just saying.

Utterly frightening.

Telegraph are comparing it to Rotherham. Taking nothing away from the victims who were abused and exploited there I think this is so much bigger.

Mermaids have been feted, endorsed by celebrities and politicians, funded, allowed to influence policy and welcomed in to schools and public institutions.

So many still cheering Mermaids on as the victims - yes Owen Jones, I’m looking at you!

I fear there will be no prosecutions as the NHS have endorsed it - some parts have actually embraced it.

Miriam Cates in the Telegraph with the Rotherham comparison:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/08/trans-charity-mermaids-last-getting-scrutiny-has-long-deserved/

"Just as the horror of child abuse in Rotherham was covered up for political reasons, so concerns about Mermaids - and the welfare of children - have been swept aside in the pursuit of a political agenda. Where our institutions could once be trusted to protect young people from radical ideologies, now many schools, universities and NHS trusts have abandoned safeguarding practices and are actively promoting gender identity theory to children despite growing evidence of its harms. The Mermaids scandal is just the tip of the iceberg; expect many more revelations to come.”

And here:

https://twitter.com/safeschoolsuk/status/1578643740805062656?s=46&t=V7nubDuWr9pPYAWW_eZUXXA

@RedToothBrush totally agree! I mention the Brass Eye programme in passing to DH last night but am very grateful for your more fulsome understanding 🙏

*mentioned!

Can you imagine a dystopian novel about children who were questioning themselves against societal norms being given life-changing drugs, operated on and strerilised?

And incarcerated women being raped by lesbians with penises?

Too horrific and unreadable or the UK in 2022?

Banned for promoting potential hate.

Its triggering.

Controversial programming and satire going the way of the dodo inhibits critical thought triggering.

And those societal norms being taught to them by the very people who go on to diagnose and 'treat' them afterwards. With government sanction and funding.

Off topic but with some interesting parallels the Mail has extracts from Kate Bingham's book

"A lawyer named Jolyon Maugham published a series of untrue and denigrating tweets about me, and then launched a lawsuit naming me, which he then had to withdraw because he realised on further research that his criticism was ill-founded."

"Katharine Viner, editor of The Guardian, emailed me breathlessly, saying: ‘Dear Kate — many congratulations on your continued vaccine success! . . . and if you weren’t interested in an interview then we’d love to run a piece written by you. All the best, Katharine.

I was amazed at her hypocrisy. After reading months of hostile and inaccurate commentary and more than 20 aggressive headlines and photos, there was no doubt in my mind that The Guardian had been writing headlines to suit its political direction while deliberately ignoring the publicly available facts. The editor was in charge of this exercise."

Boris and his attack dogs do not come out of it well either. A conflict between a competent women working to achieve an important practical goal and boys playing games.

mol.im/a/11293493

Dr McDowell, who used to be a primary school governor, added: 'Even if you think that sex is a very simple and immutable thing, to say that should then determine exactly how you behave in society and what roles you should play, I mean God, it's not the 1930s is it? It's really problematic.'

Dishonest. Dishonesty is a very common denominator with Mermaids and those associated with them. I bet they couldn't set out the gender critical position even if it got them cash.

Funnily enough gender is defined in relation to masculine and feminine societal norms and behaviours - in the Bristol City Council proposals. So you can't have gender without this regressive belief. It's the "OBSESSED" gender critical people who believe you can be male+ any personality or female+any personality, and that it's very wrong to say that having a certain type of personality means your body is wrong.

This.

I saw Breslow's comment about unequivocally disagreeing with child abuse.

And thought.... I've read a bit about your articles and presentations and books, mate. Now explain to the gullible who haven't learned yet, that you actually don't think pedophilia is child sexual abuse, or any different to adult sexual abuse, and that what you term as 'abuse' is radically different to the law.

This is all about nicely nicely leading people up the garden path by wanging on about little salami bits of societal values and beliefs with a goal in mind. The paedophilia manifesto linked above explained exactly how and why to do this. You loosen them up a tiny little inch at a time. You make those who object look silly, you associate them with unpopular things, you call them old, you ensure on social media they're laughed at and this will discourage others joining in. You praise and socially reward those who go where you lead them.

This is grooming on really an unbelievable scale. But the plan is there. All laid out. We were told, in writing, what was intended and why, they explained it. Four years later, we're all standing around watching a lot of gullible muppets still murmuring 'but they said it was about that'.

Yes. They did. Have you ever been on any safeguarding courses?

"Resigned trans youth charity trustee authored nlog on minor attraction, praised child porn creators."

reduxx.info/resigned-trans-youth-charity-trustee-authored-blog-on-minor-attraction-praised-child-porn-creators/

Got to love Twitter. This morning’s favourite ‘Safeguarding is just a Strawman’.

Some people really are so willingly stupid. The people defending Mermaids have become a parody and like the mantras it shows the cult for what it is.

Troubled individual Aimee Challenor wrote this a few years ago:

When, aged 16, I came out as transgender, one of the first things I faced was disbelief in my Gender Identity by medical professionals because of my autism. Instead of seeing gender specialists, I was sent back to Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services (CAMHS).

I turned to Mermaids for support, who helped me secure a referral to the Tavistock and Portman NHS Gender Identity Services. If Mermaids had not have been there for me, I likely would’ve continued to experience rejection of treatment because of my autism.

Mermaids overriding the opinions of medical professionals? Surely not

www.libdemvoice.org/why-the-national-autistic-society-were-right-to-reverse-their-decision-on-award-winning-charity-mermaids-58805.html

Mermaids overriding the opinions of medical professionals? Surely not

Well sg does believe autism is a sign of GD. So transition would "cure" it

Transition apparently cures everything. Here.

So, it doesn't matter what the question is, the answer is gender dysphoria.

It's that saying, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Hence Cass being emphatic about the need for differential diagnosis moving forward, which means integrating with other services (CAMHS, social services, SEN support etc)

@nilsmousehammer yep... very dishonest of him to condemn child abuse whilst failing to mention that he doesn't regard sex with children as abusive.

"I wholeheartedly condemn all drug abuse" could come out of the mouth of a politician in the run up to an election, and it wouldn't say anything about whether she support decriminalization, or even legalization. She could re-write the sentence as "drug use is a personal choice and I support freedom of choice, but I wholeheartedly condemn all drug abuse which can be harmful to society. I support full legalization and hope to reduce drug taking by 5%, because it is that last 5% that is the harmful drug abuse, whereas the other 95% is a positive exercise of personal choice that we should all get behind."

You could equally hear 'I condemn all drug abuse' from a heroin addict who might extend it further as 'I don't consider my use of heroin to be abusing it and I'm not (in my opinion) abusing others when I'm high, so people like me should be allowed to use heroin legally and society should stop being bigoted, prejudiced and pearl clutchy because they're not open minded enough to realise that this can be a wonderful thing'.

Many would heartily disagree and point out the utter lack of responsibility or capacity to consider others that is a key reason for the illegality of many drugs.

The pontificating and manipulation of language is one of the key things to address. Plain English is required.

It looks like you're right.

This is another trustee on twitter:

twitter.com/GreyCollier/status/1578455926419312640?t=c_BbymnuCw1tB6JSvbQF7Q&s=19

It appears some NHS trusts are now instructing staff not to signpost patients to mermaids and delete references from support material

mobile.twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1578717592076025859

Oh wow! It’s hard to imagine how Mermaids can possibly survive all of this.

It's hard to know how they survived someone taking her 15 year old son to thailand... [how on earth did we get where we are?!?!?]