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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Students call for professor at University of Southern Maine to be replaced after teaching that there are only two sexes

108 replies

TheBiologyStupid · 01/10/2022 18:19

According to the Bangor Daily News, a newspaper in Maine, USA:

Nearly two dozen graduate students at the University of Southern Maine are demanding their education professor be replaced after the professor allegedly said only two biological sexes exist.

The students said professor Christy Hammer’s remarks were inaccurate and transphobic.

After all but one student walked out of Hammer’s class on Sept. 14 in protest, they demanded a facilitated restorative justice meeting between the 22 students and their professor.

They got it, but, according to students, Hammer maintained her position saying non-binary biological sex designations are merely variations on male and female. Now they want Hammer gone.

www.bangordailynews.com/2022/09/29/news/portland/usm-professor-two-sexes/

Professor Kathleen Stock has tweeted about this ridiculous situation:
twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1576060008533757952

Jerry Coyne, an emeritus professor of Evolutionary Biology at the University of Chicago, has also just written about it: whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/10/01/professor-in-maine-demonized-for-teaching-that-humans-have-two-sexes-students-walk-out-and-demand-her-suspension/

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BrrrGettingColder · 02/10/2022 01:16

It is bloody weird that it always needs to be said, at the moment, that women are women and men can never be women.

Two sexes. That's all.

Women are women, and men are men. And men can never be women.

Men need to sort out their own shit, not expect women to move over and pander to them and go "Yes, Sir; ooops, sorry, Ma'am".

Here is a well-documented example of a "new woman" - !

TheBiologyStupid · 02/10/2022 01:20

TheClogLady · 02/10/2022 00:53

One of the students who objected is studying to become a high school science teacher.

Of course nonsensical ideas about how procreation works need to be challenged, this person wants to teach this bullshit in schools!

Absolutely!

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LunaLights · 02/10/2022 01:22

The fucking problem with “not saying it” is that there is a growing percentage of the population that actually believes this ideological bullshit - because no one is permitted to tell the truth!

caringcarer · 02/10/2022 01:29

She speaks the truth. Well done to her.

BrrrGettingColder · 02/10/2022 01:38

What? The aggressive male in the video? Not a "her" in a million years! That's a man, We can tell. It's quite easy to tell that he's a bloke, despite his show of male aggression and confrontation!

There are two sexes: female, male.

Gender? Seven billion genders!

One sex cannot turn into the other sex. Not possible in mammalian biology.

What the hell are they teaching graduates these days, it sounds worrying if they are being lied to on very basic matters of sex and being human.

NZdad · 02/10/2022 01:50

Even the author of the Nature article the news article cites accepts that there are 2 sexes: mobile.twitter.com/tenin0/status/1576012336883593217

BrrrGettingColder · 02/10/2022 02:19

Quite a lot of mothers are here on Mumsnet!

We have quite a lot of experience that sex, as in sexed bodies, is real!
Otherwise, many of us would happily opt for our men doing our pregnancy, childbirth including caesareans and episiotomies, and all resulting shit, for us!

Gender - well, what is your star sign7

TheKeatingFive · 02/10/2022 03:13

virginiasroom.co.uk/2022/01/sex-denialism-collective-insanity-or-religion/

This is the best commentary on all of this madness that I've read so far.

FrancescaContini · 02/10/2022 03:18

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/10/2022 18:23

From the article, there are many gems:

Leibiger, who is non-binary, was absent from class that week but learned about the incident from classmates. When Leibiger arrived for the next class, on Sept. 14, they immediately brought up the discussion again.

I asked [Hammer] how many sexes there were,” Leibiger said. “She said, ‘Two.’ I felt under personal attack.”
Leibiger then gathered their things and walked out of class because they no longer felt respected.

I let her know I didn’t think she was qualified to teach a class about positive learning environments,” Leibiger said. “It’s the ultimate irony.”

Made me chuckle. This person is a fucking moron, how the hell did they/it etc get into university?

FrancescaContini · 02/10/2022 03:20

TheKeatingFive · 02/10/2022 03:13

virginiasroom.co.uk/2022/01/sex-denialism-collective-insanity-or-religion/

This is the best commentary on all of this madness that I've read so far.

I have just been laughing at Daniel Laycock - real name?? What a cock. And his grammar is appalling.

TheKeatingFive · 02/10/2022 03:36

Why the actual fuck are we indulging these people?

If biological fact makes you feel 'under personal attack' then university is not for you. Sorry.

BreatheAndFocus · 02/10/2022 09:07

Non-binary student hears about something happening in class that would upset them so asks the teacher to repeat the upsetting thing - and then gets upset 🙄

It would have been better to throw the question back at the student and when they answer that there are 3/4/5/however many sexes, kindly and patronisingly explain those are genders and sex and gender are different and it’s terribly transphobic to conflate them. Then do a worried, shocked look at the dreadful ‘transphobia’ that’s just taken place in your class.

These odious little prigs need their own sanctimonious crap thrown back at them, and to be embarrassed in front of their peers so they’ll think twice about doing it again.

puffyisgood · 02/10/2022 09:18

BrrrGettingColder · 02/10/2022 01:16

It is bloody weird that it always needs to be said, at the moment, that women are women and men can never be women.

Two sexes. That's all.

Women are women, and men are men. And men can never be women.

Men need to sort out their own shit, not expect women to move over and pander to them and go "Yes, Sir; ooops, sorry, Ma'am".

Here is a well-documented example of a "new woman" - !

yikes. maybe it's her time of the month?

FrancescaContini · 02/10/2022 09:36

I wondered that too, @puffyisgood , because we women routinely behave like this once a month. I see it all the time - women yelling at shop assistants, showing how offended we are at perceived slights by trashing shops and using threatening body language, not to mention growling like dogs (bitches??). We also never forget to carry micro pink bags so that everyone is clear which sex we are. We hoist them over our shoulder as we make a dramatic exit, slamming the door. Pesky hormones.

puffyisgood · 02/10/2022 09:43

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NotBadConsidering · 02/10/2022 09:48

Good on the teacher for sticking to her guns, or the truth as it is known.

One of the students who objected is studying to become a high school science teacher

It makes me think of the film Interstellar where the notion that humans didn’t go to the moon has become accepted as fact. Give these sorts of people enough space and that’s where we will be in 50 years.

IDontHaveTimeForFoolishness · 02/10/2022 09:59

TheClogLady · 01/10/2022 18:40

‘I felt under personal attack’?

By who? Charles Darwin?

🤣

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2022 10:27

In the comments, from "Mike"

Sorry I said I would stop overcommenting but could I please gently push back against this “nothing to see here” comment? Something analogous to this is happening to me now. I’m a faculty member in a good STEM department at a mid-tier research university. The details are different but the theme is the same: expression of anodyne statements of fact, denunciation by a student, claims of dehumanizing, and amplification of that person’s outrage by other well-meaning members of the university. These are not rare events, and they don’t just happen in the hothouse environment of Faculties of Education.

TheBiologyStupid · 02/10/2022 10:31

Non-binary student hears about something happening in class that would upset them so asks the teacher to repeat the upsetting thing - and then gets upset.

Yes, you really couldn't make it up.

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KittenKong · 02/10/2022 10:36

When I was a student - lecturers were always saying things (on purpose) to get discussions going and (when I did art) to encourage students to push themselves and develop their own thinking.

now it’s the students who can say outrageous nonsense and cry victim?

kick them out. They are too daft to be there and are disrupting those who actually want to learn. Those who want to learn have the right to be in a class of adults and not attention seeking ninnies. They are paying to be there too.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2022 10:39

I really wish an institution somewhere would have the moral courage to expel one of the worst of these people.

ZandathePanda · 02/10/2022 10:53

if Female = egg
and male = sperm
What’s the variations? speggs and egerms?

Chersfrozenface · 02/10/2022 11:00

Does nobody ever ask these people to explain how their actual physical body, however they label it, came into being?

KittenKong · 02/10/2022 11:27

Animals have two sexes. Trees have two sexes. How idiotic are these people / they seriously think that they have just discovered something that humankind ‘just missed’ over the last god knows how many generations since we crawled out of the swamp?

justgotosleepffs · 02/10/2022 19:15

fUNNYfACE36 · 02/10/2022 00:42

I don't think the fact that there indeed are only 2 biological sexes is the issue here, it is whether it needed to be said in the circumstances .
.It us like saying that overall black people score lower than white and Asian people on intelligence tests.You just don't end to bring it up

Except that it was the student who specifically raised the issue and asked the question about biological sex. So it would be like if a black person put up their hand in a class and asked the teacher "Do black people overall score higher or lower thsn asian people in intelligence tests?" And then accusing the teacher of harassment when they give the factually correct answer.