To ask DC’s school about gender identity

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I am going to view a prospective primary prep school for DD.

It’s a very popular all-girls school so admissions are over subscribed. I have a list of pretty standard questions, however I also want to ask what they are teaching the children about gender or gender identity.

I also want to ask whether they would admit trans girls (born male) in the school.

There is no mention of this in the prospectus however DH thinks it’s a bad idea to ask.

AIBU to ask these types of questions?

You don’t seem to be interested in advocating for female children.

which is what this thread is about.

You don't appear to be particularly well informed about this issue, despite all your "activism".

@TheClogLady not sure you’ve been following the thread at all. It’s not about advocating for ‘female children’ (I call them girls, it’s weird you said ‘female children but ok…), it’s about the usual trans bashing that goes on here.

If you gave a shit about girls you’d actually be advocating for things they need - dealing with the horror show that is navigating online spaces (pro-ANA spaces being one, sexts at very early ages being another), but no, you waste time on this.

Once upon a time I agreed there was a serious debate to be had - single sex spaces are a no brainer - but the problem is the so called gender critical mov aren’t serious, they’re just swinging their metaphorical dicks around.

If schools followed the research and not the ideology, we would not be in the shit situation we are in.

Biology NOT ideology - my child’s school (thankfully) abides by the former, not the latter doctrine.

@Ereshkigalangcleg what an erudite contribution from the font of all knowledge and prophet of the One Truth. I must be wrong, because you don’t agree with me eh 🙄

If you were at all knowledgeable about the situation, you would absolutely know why “females” is required as a designation, rather than “girls”.

A TRA would tell you to “do better and educate yourself” regarding the terms you use - however, language does reveal the ideology…

it’s weird you said ‘female children but ok

Not really. It's to differentiate them from male children, when some people like to indulge in linguistic gymnastics about gender identity to promote their personal ideology.

The TRA is now just insulting posters. How surprising.

OP, you have asked a very reasonable question. You are choosing a girls' school for your daughter.

@BrrrGettingColder i assume you mean that as some kind of insult, but I am not particular active nor an activist on trans issues specifically. I just dislike people like you punching down, and your engagement throughout this thread has not made me think that you’re anything more than a pretty classic bully.

@LunaLights do you refer to your DC as your ‘male child’ or ‘female child’ in conversation. Or son and daughter? If the former, you would sound very odd indeed to the ordinary person…

@Ereshkigalangcleg we aren’t zoo animals. Referring to live people as ‘male’ or ‘female’ gives me the ick, even more so when it comes to children. Why obfuscate it? Just say boy or girl. Male or female child has an almost sinister edge to it. Even if medicine it’s boy or girl, at least in my experience having kids…

Why obfuscate it? Just say boy or girl

There's nothing obfuscatory about using male or female to describe biological sex. You sound a bit odd. Try to get over your "ick" for biology and science and grow up, maybe?

What is wrong with saying female, male? I don't understand what you're getting at, here? Could you elucidate?

We ARE mammals you big dafty!

Male and female is much clearer, besides, you wouldn’t want to prohibit non binary people from using their sex based rights, would you?

We aren’t in a casual conversation, we are talking about single sex schools.

obviously you won’t want to send your children to a school that is limited to children of just one sex, presumably you’d find that too ‘icky’.

Yes, quite! Humans are either female or male. What we used to call women or men, but that system is currently being undermined.

Hence girls' schools for girls. No boys.

Well asked, OP.

No boys: even though some male-bodied, male-born individuals like pink and long hair and nail varnish, etc! A good lesson in the damages of applying gender stereotypes and trying to ignore sex.

Yes. Very important to keep toxic gender stereotypes out of schools.

which is one of the reasons many parents opt for single sex schooling for female children.

It wouldn't be necessary if it weren't for the people that insist that "girl" can include some male children, and "boy" can include some female children. Saying male child makes it clear that they're grouping them based on their sex not gender identity

Referring to live people as ‘male’ or ‘female’ gives me the ick, even more so when it comes to children. Why obfuscate it? Just say boy or girl

This is how it should be, but people supporting gender ideology have warped the words boy and girl such that they are now utterly meaningless

The council handle admissions based on applying the admission criteria. The school shouldn't get a say, even if the 11+ is one of the criteria. Though if you daughter ends up going and there are zealots on the staff, it could cause problems for her later.

I doubt individual trans girls in year 7 would affect any single sex academic benefits of a school, they are rare and a very different demographic from the crossdressing adults driving this shitshow.

So on balance it would be in your personal interests not to challenge.

I still think you are right to question them though for moral reasons. This is a matter of principle. Ideologically captured educational institutions need challenging. Infection with applied postmodern Theory will affect their ability to provide an education.

Children cannot change their birth certificates and that’s the criteria used in local authority school admissions.

@Eellet I agree, unfortunately the correct word for human female children has been hijacked by people who think pink and blue brains exist. Most of us would like it back, but needs must until sanity returns.

That said, we ARE mammals. Great apes to be precise. Not even that clever it seems. I think the reluctance to refer to SEX (fetch my smelling salts), is partly responsible for all the gender nonsense.

It wouldn't be necessary if it weren't for the people that insist that "girl" can include some male children,

Not just male children, there are quite a few adult men who like to refer to themselves as 'girls'