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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Maya on Radio 2 today

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JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 30/09/2022 11:33

Maya is being interviewed on the Jeremy Vine show today.

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ImherewithBoudica · 30/09/2022 14:03

ArabellaScott · 30/09/2022 13:44

The bold, bald truth is refreshing to hear, though.

I know it sounds nicer to say to the child 'you can become a woman', but it's not actually kind. Saying bluntly 'you can't change sex, you will always be male' is in the end the kind and brave thing to say.

The thing is the lack of sentimental, emotional personal anecdotes for an audience that illustrate where is the kindness to females and children impacted by all this.

The be kind to the male with needs totally misses that this male is being extremely un kind in turn to females.

BitossiBlues · 30/09/2022 14:04

TheSonjaMorgan · 30/09/2022 13:17

JV is a bit of a plank isn't he? Special treatment for his mates.....

He should be sponsored by Travis Perkins.

catandcoffee · 30/09/2022 14:04

I still want to know the answer to this question....how do you live like a Women ??

ps. answers must not include dresses, long hair, makeup, nail varnish.

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 30/09/2022 14:05

As for the gender is not sex but my child is female - words fail me, the lies swallowed and told are never ending and the only person to whom this is detrimental is the child in question.

If gender is not sex, why the obsession with body modification?

ImherewithBoudica · 30/09/2022 14:07

my child is female

This parent also needs to realise the creeping mess for their child in reciting this.

TW are abandoning 'woman' because they have successfully forced a change so that society now knows, 'woman' is a word stripped of all meaning that is just 'anyone of any sex who happens to like that label' (and females.)

They are going after 'female' now as the new prize of validation. However if they achieve it, they will equally strangle and drown it until it has disappeared beneath the waves of actual semantic meaning, and also means 'anyone of any sex who happens to like that label (AND the group we're now naming differently who are the actual biological females).'

Females will move on to a new term, and that will become the new target: it will never achieve the desired goal of sex change because reality. This is just helping a child cry for the moon. The unachievable, impossible goal. How is this 'kind'?

Fanacapan · 30/09/2022 14:08

Give JV his due, I don't know how he didn’t laugh at ‘Anna’, he did manage to call her ‘he’ though ?deliberate mistake

JoodyBlue · 30/09/2022 14:10

nauticant · 30/09/2022 13:41

I agree Yogipineapple123. I was listening thinking "think about the audience and prioritise that over your righteousness".

I don't agree with this though. For so long have been listening to media waiting for the obvious truth to be spelt out. Because so many people pussy foot around this it leaves one wondering and second guessing reality. I actually internally cheered at the caller's forthrightness. The relief at hearing the truth.

ArabellaScott · 30/09/2022 14:10

This is just helping a child cry for the moon. The unachievable, impossible goal. How is this 'kind'?

Yes, exactly. It's acquiescing to a child's impossible demand. It's a breathtaking lie to collude in. It's horrible, actually. And I do feel for the mother, she's been sold this crap by Mermaids, Stonewall, whoever that terrible therapist was.

ArabellaScott · 30/09/2022 14:11

I agree that righteousness is useless, but I don't think that was righteousness. I think it was anger, at the lies.

ClaudiaWankleman · 30/09/2022 14:12

Just like there was a trend a few years ago for girls to be lesbian or bisexual. Most grow out of it,

Any evidence for this statement? As it stands this just sounds like homophobic 'it's a phase' nonsense.

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 30/09/2022 14:13

ImherewithBoudica · 30/09/2022 14:07

my child is female

This parent also needs to realise the creeping mess for their child in reciting this.

TW are abandoning 'woman' because they have successfully forced a change so that society now knows, 'woman' is a word stripped of all meaning that is just 'anyone of any sex who happens to like that label' (and females.)

They are going after 'female' now as the new prize of validation. However if they achieve it, they will equally strangle and drown it until it has disappeared beneath the waves of actual semantic meaning, and also means 'anyone of any sex who happens to like that label (AND the group we're now naming differently who are the actual biological females).'

Females will move on to a new term, and that will become the new target: it will never achieve the desired goal of sex change because reality. This is just helping a child cry for the moon. The unachievable, impossible goal. How is this 'kind'?

This is so true. The real truth of the matter, is there I have nothing in common with a TW that I don't have in common with a man. If language is subverted such that female no longer means what we know female to mean, then it takes me out of that category. TW are chasing an impossible dream and causing a lot of damage in so doing. This illusion being created is kind to no-one.

TheBiologyStupid · 30/09/2022 14:17

picklemewalnuts · 30/09/2022 13:40

" be careful walking down the street you never know who you might meet who's in disguise!" Grin

Yup, Boy George singing "It's a Miracle" immediately after that discussion was no accident!

inappropriateraspberry · 30/09/2022 14:20

ClaudiaWankleman · 30/09/2022 14:12

Just like there was a trend a few years ago for girls to be lesbian or bisexual. Most grow out of it,

Any evidence for this statement? As it stands this just sounds like homophobic 'it's a phase' nonsense.

It was a phase. I'm not saying there are no lesbians, but I know several girls who had 'girlfriends' then it all disappeared as they got older and have settled into heterosexual relationships. There was a definite thing/phase that seems to have evolved into what we see now - trans issues.

TheBiologyStupid · 30/09/2022 14:23

Let's all hope that that mother's child never has a heart attack or needs a blood transfusion bearing in mind that their NHS records have been changed to be of the female sex.

Or get prostate cancer...

ClaudiaWankleman · 30/09/2022 14:33

inappropriateraspberry · 30/09/2022 14:20

It was a phase. I'm not saying there are no lesbians, but I know several girls who had 'girlfriends' then it all disappeared as they got older and have settled into heterosexual relationships. There was a definite thing/phase that seems to have evolved into what we see now - trans issues.

The 'it' which disappeared being what?

Maybe they're bisexual, maybe they just found the right person who happened to be a man. I doubt they are are discussing the details with you - I certainly wouldn't with someone who doesn't seem to speak very respectfully about my previous relationships.

MalagaNights · 30/09/2022 14:40

ArabellaScott · 30/09/2022 13:44

The bold, bald truth is refreshing to hear, though.

I know it sounds nicer to say to the child 'you can become a woman', but it's not actually kind. Saying bluntly 'you can't change sex, you will always be male' is in the end the kind and brave thing to say.

Yes.

We've confused in the moment niceness with kindness. Which means doing the right thing, and bravely doing what someone needs you to do even if it's hard for you both.

Everyone used to know that this was intrinsic to parenting and protecting children, but this insipid version of #BeKind has led to parents and professionals forgetting what being an adult means.

Lottapianos · 30/09/2022 14:45

'I still want to know the answer to this question....how do you live like a Women ??'

And while we're at it, what does 'thinking like a woman' involve?

ImherewithBoudica · 30/09/2022 14:48

And what is the difference in actual terms between this and LARP? Really, in hard, technical terms.

Subjective perception of the individual won't do.

NecessaryScene · 30/09/2022 14:53

And while we're at it, what does 'thinking like a woman' involve?

A deep-seated assumption that everyone around you is there to serve you, as far as I can tell.

Beowulfa · 30/09/2022 15:04

Wouldn't a more compassionate response to a (troubled) boy who is upset at the knowledge he can't ever be a mother be to talk to them about the equally wonderful but quite different role of fatherhood? Rather than fixate on the perceived unfairness and push them onto a path to infertility.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 30/09/2022 15:12

Lottapianos · 30/09/2022 14:45

'I still want to know the answer to this question....how do you live like a Women ??'

And while we're at it, what does 'thinking like a woman' involve?

Taking on the mental load? Would be easy to flush out those who don't: which day does DC1 need their PE kit? When is MIL's birthday? etc.

Tigertigertigertiger · 30/09/2022 15:23

inappropriateraspberry · 30/09/2022 14:20

It was a phase. I'm not saying there are no lesbians, but I know several girls who had 'girlfriends' then it all disappeared as they got older and have settled into heterosexual relationships. There was a definite thing/phase that seems to have evolved into what we see now - trans issues.

@inappropriateraspberry I agree, I absolutely, having worked with children and young people for over 30 years

heathspeedwell · 30/09/2022 15:26

Maya was so reasonable and compassionate. I hope that this marks the start of a lot more radio and television appearances for her.

With Mermaids being investigated I hope this whole topic gets a massive dose of sunlight in the coming weeks. The more people who stop and think about this, the more kids who can be saved from making irreversible decisions that permanently damage their bodies.

Bloodybridget · 30/09/2022 15:36

ClaudiaWankleman · 30/09/2022 14:33

The 'it' which disappeared being what?

Maybe they're bisexual, maybe they just found the right person who happened to be a man. I doubt they are are discussing the details with you - I certainly wouldn't with someone who doesn't seem to speak very respectfully about my previous relationships.

@ClaudiaWankleman I don't think the poster you responded to was being disrespectful about the girls' early experiences with other girls, but of course it's true that teenage and early adult years are often times when we are exploring and experimenting with our sexuality among other things. In my case I tried heterosexuality for a few years and then ditched it for same sex relationships, as have many other women and men! It's also true that we're more likely to be influenced by our peers at that time, and as long as that doesn't involve risky behaviour, there's no harm or shame in it.

Namedifferentorquestion · 30/09/2022 16:35

This 100%

"if someone is born in a male body whatever happens to that body even if they have a sex change - so called - they remain male"

You can mutilate your body anyway you please but it doesn't change your biology, your dna, your sex genes.

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