Sussex Police claim gc views are 'hate' when women call a paedophile a man

[ArabellaScott]

Extraordinary exchange on Twitter.

'This is a man, committing sexual offences against children'

'Hi, Sussex Police do not tolerate any hateful comments towards their gender identity regardless of crimes committed. This is irrelevant to the crime that has been committed and investigated. Sussex Police'

'Sussex Police, I am exercising my gender critical views, which are protected in law. Can you advise whether making such statements is a crime?'

'Hi, you can familiarise yourself with what is regarding as hate on our website here: orlo.uk/k3sOL. If you have gender critical views you wish to express this can be done on other platforms or your own page, not targeted at an individual. Sussex Police'

twitter.com/sussex_police/status/1574708767287115780

There's no way they'd make it illegal sadly, as the crime stats would go through the roof.

The 2010 Equality Act defines the crrent protected characteristics.

Any amendment to it or new legislation would equally have to define "gender identity".

Anyone familiar with legislation or the drafting thereof care to have a go?

It appears they did, January 2018 seems to be the date.

That's been kept very quiet, hasn't it? Including by transactivists and their supporters.

I am increasingly coming to the view that hate incidents and hate crimes should be completely abolished. This is not a firm opinion, but I am undecided and leaning in that direction.

I can see how it might be worse to know that you have been assaulted for being gay, rather than it being random... but I am not sure it does great for cohesion if one's person gets assaulted and it is taken much more seriously than another victim who is more privileged. And it's worse if the rich white gay man's assault is a massive issue because the atacker used the word "fag", whereas an poor elderly woman gets assaulted and the misogyny behind the attack is ignored.

How do you protect all groups? Should "goth" be a protected characteristic?

Is it a hate incident if a religious group with charitable status is deeply homophobic when it preaches?

How does the idea of hate incidents impact free speech?

Does a violent white man who beats up a different man every night for a week, shouting all sorts of abuse as he does it really deserve a greater punishment on the eighth night when his victim happens to be black and he chucks in a racial slur?

IMO assault and stalking and harrassment are massive problems whether the victim is a minority or not. Saying things other people don't like is a very different problem, and arguably not a problem at all.

I am increasingly coming to the view that hate incidents and hate crimes should be completely abolished.

I agree - too difficult to properly define them, and too easy to abuse the legislation frivolously or vindictively in order to pay off scores. Must take up a massive amount of police manpower, too.

This. Cool 'gesture' policing, a la Blair, and has been a completely badly thought out, ill defined mess from start to finish, time consuming, pointless and filled with good intentions and unforeseen poor outcomes.

Gender is not a protected characteristic

Sex is a protected characteristic

Unfortunately police officers are not being sufficient training or CPD to ensure they understand the difference.

There is consultation ongoing at present about adding a specific offence of misogyny or updating the current public order act

College of Policing have sent out additional guidance on hate incidents following Harry miller case

I was a victim in a verbal abuse incident that I felt was strongly motivated by misogyny. I felt my vulnerability was increased by being a lone female.

When I went to log the incident via the online form with our local police force, there is no way of conveying these facts. There was a tick box for all the specified 'hate crome' categories but my sex/being female wasn't there. I said this in the limited free text box.

What @Justasmallgless has said.

TRAs speak of gender being a protected characteristic - it's NOT. Unfortunately this mistaken belief has passed into common parlance and many people now think it is.

I would suggest recording it as a aggravated incident - there is usually something on these- based on your Sex

But does this mean that if you just called someone a bastard it would be a regular old public order offence?

Because I don't see that normally happening. And I thought hate crimes could only be things that were already actually crimes?

Stonewall’s top employer list 2022.
Bit concerned MI6 is next on the list.
Probably too busy building gender neutral toilets to notice Putin is building an army.

Even if you’re the type of person who has completely bought into the ‘anyone can change their gender’ school of thought it doesn’t make sense in this context.

The crimes were committed when the criminal was a man (and ‘identified’ as one). Are the police seriously saying that it’s factually incorrect to call the criminal in this case a man (as he identifies as a woman now)?

And if so why doesn’t this apply to other aspects of identify such as age? Using the police’s logic you could say that the killers of Jamie Bulger in the 1990s were 40 year old men - because that’s what they are now.

Agree, I'd expect MI6 to be able to do a bit of critical thinking, due diligence, joining dots and such like.

MI6? Didn’t they light up the building in rainbow and the boss put his pronouns on the website? They are a joke.

Does anyone know how Sally Dixon was referred to in court? I assume the victims gave video evidence and referred to him as a him?

The Mail have done some digging into the background of this pervert. He's already targeted a vulnerable woman with learning difficulties and mental health problems and had to be moved. A member of staff told the Mail:
‘Staff do not like it. The ones that come [trans prisoners] have a history of sexually abusing others, or they come with male genitalia. We just don’t have the capacity to ensure the safety of the women.’

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11268259/Transgender-paedophile-moved-prison-wings-starting-relationship-female-inmate.html

It's really gross that the authorities refer to this paedophile as a woman for the simple fact that they are buying into his manipulations. The same manipulations that have enabled him to carry out his crimes.

It is a power play and he's controlling them.

Thanks. That poor vulnerable woman who he exploited behind bars.

I don’t see much difference between them doing this and that prison guard in America who sold keys to the women’s wing and all those poor women were terrified and abused.

man wants, man gets (and someone else is making $$$)

I agree with you. I am coming around to the opinion that the hate crime thing should be dropped.

I agree about the potential to create more tensions than it resolves too.

Perhaps the hate crime legislation was part of paving the way for the oppression Olympics and the new hierarchies of who matters more and who matters less based on immutable characteristics and/or declared identities.

If the police had done their fucking jobs properly and obtained proper justice for Stephen Lawrence and his bereaved family in a timely manner we would never have ended up here.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions but it’s bloody annoying that the intention was to stop further police failures in crimes against black victims and instead we’ve got overwhelmed and understaffed coppers dressed as rainbow striped bumblebees failing more victims than ever, including black ones.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

This.

And virtue signalling politicians who believe in hyperactive gesture law making, most of which is half baked and wide open to exploitation and oh whoops never saw that coming consequences.

Although in most cases a child could have spotted the loopholes.

This.

This pissess me off the most.

Stephen Lawrence was failed.
Rotherham was failed.
Menstruating 14 year olds are strip searched.
And a host of things in between.

They continue to fail people to avoid upsetting the wrong side of society and then build their interactions with the community with a song and a dance.

It is infuriating.

Totally agree about the hate crime point. Too subjective and open to bias. Also surely sex should be covered already as a protected characteristic. Assault and gbh cover all appropriate scenarios.
I'm not convinced anything verbal is a crime unless inciting hatred, same for written word. I think it must be police overreach arresting women from tweets about twaw but it's fine to send death and rape threats, either none of it is an offence or only actual threats are.
I do hope Suella will be doing another review of the whole cjs and institutional capture. It needs to be now before labour get in and women are completely ignored again.