Sussex Police claim gc views are 'hate' when women call a paedophile a man

[ArabellaScott]

Extraordinary exchange on Twitter.

'This is a man, committing sexual offences against children'

'Hi, Sussex Police do not tolerate any hateful comments towards their gender identity regardless of crimes committed. This is irrelevant to the crime that has been committed and investigated. Sussex Police'

'Sussex Police, I am exercising my gender critical views, which are protected in law. Can you advise whether making such statements is a crime?'

'Hi, you can familiarise yourself with what is regarding as hate on our website here: orlo.uk/k3sOL. If you have gender critical views you wish to express this can be done on other platforms or your own page, not targeted at an individual. Sussex Police'

twitter.com/sussex_police/status/1574708767287115780

I think gender reassignment is a protected characteristic. Hate incidents aren't necessarily crimes but crimes can be aggravated where related to a protected characteristic (related to isn't a good legal description). Like Vicar says that example might be a section 5 public order offence - and then I think I the sentence would be increased to reflect the hate crime. Other sentences could be uplifted on same basis (assault, harassment). Of course gender reassignment isn't the same as gender identity and I am pretty sure the wording is reassignment.

Thing is - I see a lot of stuff that criminals get lea way on that sticks in my craw .

But that's the justice
System. It happens all the time - not just with these issues - with all issues .

I once poured my heart and soul in a sex offences job that took me over a year to get to court , and I was so invested in it I took the victim to court in my own car in my day off and sat and held her hand .

The bloody (female) judge did everything BuT give this predator a custodial sentence. I was gutted for my victim - I truly was . He deserved a custodial sentence and even the CPS had advised a minimum of 18 weeks - things happen all the time that frustrate me - you have to not let it get to you as a police officer because otherwise it would eat you up .

Burglars get a few weeks and then back to robbing little old ladies or vulnerable people.

Sex offenders same

Domestic violence offenders getting a slap on the wrist and a bloody 10 week course on anger management.

These things fuck me off big time . But I can't change the judicial system . I can try my best to deliver the best case in court possible but then it's out of my hands .

I have to try not to let things get under my skin or I'd have a breakdown!

Thanks for that clarification @stillvicarinatutu much appreciated.

It is still true that male hatred against women is so, so common, that it would overwhelm the police system and the justice system, should misogyny ever be legislated against.

Misogyny is the constant background, and the constant background noise, in most women's lives.

Misogyny really should be outlawed . Parliament always takes an age to catch up . It will happen one day .

And vestofabsurdity

You're welcome. Thank you for engaging. I'm with you all , I'm just constricted.

You know what's gonna happen though .

The wording "gender identity " will get written into statute and will become a protected characteristic im sure as eggs are eggs this will happen sooner or later .

Brace yourself. The law will be on the side of identity and not sex . It is now but without legal foundation. But watch this space . I bet within 3 years the legal wording gets changed to gender identity. 🤷🏻‍♀️

So when that happens we need a law to outlaw misogyny. At the same time .

I agree with you there, stillvicarinatutu.

In the current climate, should misogyny be included in hate crime, then guaranteed it would be the new "women" with cocks who would be protected, and the boring old cunty women seeking to defend their sex-based rights, would be at risk of prosecution.

Yep . Writing in the wall .

*on the wall. Fucking phone!

If the law is going to protect gender "identity " it also needs to protect gender. Full stop . As in women . Women born female with all their xx chromosomes in tact from birth .

Not fucking "gender". Sex.

Sex.

Not fucking "gender".

Ok ok calm down! That's what I am saying.

Sex is a protected characteristic. But what I'm saying is gender is going to follow.

"Calm down!"

...

"But what I'm saying is gender is going to follow."

But how do you prove gender?

Sex is obvious, even without any removal of underwear. Sex is provable,

But how, exactly, do you prove "gender"?

You can't prove gender - like you can't prove being gay . It's still a protected characteristic.

Get ready because this is coming I tell you - the day "gender identity " is challenged in court - the law will change .

And don't think I'm not with you on this - I am. But I can see what's coming.

stillvicarinatutu
You actually say, and I quote:
"You can't prove gender - like you can't prove being gay"

There. Mic drop.

Come again ?

You can prove sex .

Gender is a wishy washy word . That's what I'm saying .

I think you might have misunderstood me .

I watched 8 mile yesterday.

If I dropped the mic
Then I'm on my bike

You misunderstood me
I'm a girl in a hoodie

(I'm not actually I like my m&s jumpers but that doesn't scan )

Interesting that your screenshot says that a 'hate' indecent requires an "independent source of evidence" to confirm this - ie written proof such as e-mail, or an eye-witness.

Despite that, many of these so-called 'hate' incidents seem to be draconically investigated on the word of the complainant alone, and many also seem to be quite innocent comments that the complainant perceives as being hateful. (Sorry - this is just from years of trawling Twitter and seeing offence taken at what had seemed to most people to be very innocuous comments and I can't give a particular example.)

This is the difficulty when 'feelings' are given precedence over provable facts. It can be very easy to take offence at something (especially something written) - we all do it on occasions - but now it can end up with an innocent person being cautioned and questioned by police.which is horrible.

I have a horrible suspicion that if misogyny ever became a hate crime, the people who would benefit from it would be TiMs who would claim that anything that upset them was both transphobic and misogynistic . . .

Unfortunately until we have a legally stated and accepted definition of what a woman is, accepted by all political parties*, and not including people born male then we can't really define what is misogynistic, and certainly wouldn't be able to use such legislation to protect biological women and girls.

*I'm pretty sure that legally a woman IS defined as an "adult human female", but nobody seems to take any notice of that any more - it really needs to be clearly established.