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Mermaids vs LGB Alliance and Charity Commissioner - First-tier Tribunal (General Regulatory Chamber) Thread 3

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nauticant · 14/09/2022 13:56

The Tribunal started on 9 September, witness testimony started on 12 September.

To obtain access to view the proceedings, send a request email to [email protected] about case CA/2021/0013 - Mermaids vs Charity Commissioner and LGB Alliance and ask for permission to join. You then have to provide certain information and agree to a judge's direction in order to be able to join.

There is also live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets.

Abbreviations:

J or judge: Presiding Judge, Judge Lynn Griffin
AJ or Judge: Assisted by Judge Joe Neville
MG: Mermaids counsel is Michael Gibbon KC
KM: LGB Alliance counsel is Karon Monaghan KC
AR: Karon is assisted by Akua Reindorf
IS: Charity Commission counsel is Iain Steele

(Also the witnesses, PR: Paul Roberts, JN: John Nicolson. BB: Belinda Bell, BJ: Beverley Jackson, KH: Kate Harris, and EG: Eileen Gallagher.)

Thread 1: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4629679-mermaids-versus-lgb-alliance-in-court-today
Thread 2: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4632780-mermaids-vs-lgb-alliance-and-charity-commissioner-first-tier-tribunal-general-regulatory-chameber-thread-2
Thread 3: ongoing

Witnesses for the applicant (Mermaids):

Paul Roberts - CEO of LGBT Consortium (12 September)
John Nicolson MP - Deputy Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Global LGBT+ Rights (13 September)
Dr Belinda Bell - Chair of trustees of Mermaids (13 September)

Witnesses for the respondent (LGB Alliance):

Beverley Jackson - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (13-14 September)
Kate Harris - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (14-15 September)
Eileen Gallagher OBE - Chair of trustees of LGB Alliance (15 September)

Witness Statements:

Paul Roberts: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Paul-Roberts-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
John Nicolson MP - lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/John-Nicolson-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
Dr Belinda Bell: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Belinda-Bell-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
Beverley Jackson: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Bev-Jackson-Witness-Statement-Exhibits-1.pdf
Kate Harris: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Kate-Harris-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
Eileen Gallagher (two statements): lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Eileen-Gallagher-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Eileen-Gallagher-Second-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf

Submissions:

lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Volume-4-Submissions-CA.2021.0013.pdf

(Header format follows the gold standard established by @ickky)

post updated by MNHQ at OP's request

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FusilliFettler · 07/11/2022 10:24

Well, this is annoying

ArabellaScott · 07/11/2022 10:25

I am just scunnered that a charity would take another charity to court like this.

It's so damn nasty.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 07/11/2022 10:25

How long does it take??

nauticant · 07/11/2022 10:26

For anyone waiting, so far it's been the driest of the dry in terms of MG talking about the legal points established in precedent cases.

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dworky · 07/11/2022 10:26

Think they initially check everyones name, that's why it takes ages the first time.

ickky · 07/11/2022 10:26

still 42 waiting, they are very slowly letting people in.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 07/11/2022 10:26

It's not really in the spirit of open justice if there are people who can't hear what's actually being said.

ickky · 07/11/2022 10:27

nauticant · 07/11/2022 10:26

For anyone waiting, so far it's been the driest of the dry in terms of MG talking about the legal points established in precedent cases.

yes the lobby fella has been more interesting so far.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 07/11/2022 10:28

😂splendid!

nauticant · 07/11/2022 10:29

Another highlight has been discussion of interpretation of the definitive article in one of the authorities.

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nauticant · 07/11/2022 10:30

My video and audio links have gone down!

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LipbalmOrKnickers · 07/11/2022 10:30

A cunning plan to get viewers to wander off?

ickky · 07/11/2022 10:30

It's all gone tits up

Chrysanthemum5 · 07/11/2022 10:31

Yes it says the room is locked

LipbalmOrKnickers · 07/11/2022 10:31

Oh good grief.

WallaceinAnderland · 07/11/2022 10:32

Has everyone in court just fallen asleep zzzzzzzzzzz

Ameanstreakamilewide · 07/11/2022 10:32

Man alive...what a shambles?!

AllTheLeaveAreBrown · 07/11/2022 10:33

TT has frozen too...technical problems

CuntAmongstThePigeons · 07/11/2022 10:34

I'm STILL waiting to be let in.

FusilliFettler · 07/11/2022 10:35

This is crazy. Are they in a different room to before?

LipbalmOrKnickers · 07/11/2022 10:35

Ditto.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 07/11/2022 10:36

It's frustrating. It was working perfectly except the court had no link to us but we had the link to them. They've been tinkering with the tech and now we've lost the link to them.

The clerk seems to think we'll be back in again soon but this is a shambles.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 07/11/2022 10:36

@FusilliFettler

I think they are in a different room from the last hearing and that's why the link had changed, but not the PIN.

ickky · 07/11/2022 10:37

Lovely comment in the chat.

Andie (she/her)
So many angry GCs!

Chrysanthemum5 · 07/11/2022 10:37

Well the icon has gone is this progress towards getting us back in?

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